Some Zyra players right now.

Naomi CoffeeGoat·Feb 12, 2017·41 votes·2,262 views

"You mean I have to actually land my spells now to hurt the enemy?"

24 Comments

Handy Sandy Feb 12, 201714 votes

Zyra players, not the midlane mains :^)

Ulquiorra995Feb 13, 20178 votes

Except she was specifically reworked to get most of her damage from spawning multiple plants. You know, those things you have no control over where they spawn? So this argument is bullshit. So if my seeds decide to spawn to the side or behind me, I have 2 options: 1.) WQ an enemy and do shit damage or 2.) WQ a group of seeds which should be the optimal case but newly spawned plants will happily proceed to farm minions. And yes, I am aware that you can just AA someone. That's not as bad for support Zyra's lane but for mid? God damn. Your Q is already delayed and you also have to hit them with a pretty slow auto afterwards. Any competent mid opponent will either melt your face off or back away during that window.

Mojihito666Feb 13, 20174 votes

How do you land randomly spawned seeds ?

Pls enlighten me

xBushxFeb 13, 20171 votes

You spawn the plant...don't care about the spell. BUT AUTO ATTACK them! GG!

VekknaFeb 13, 20174 votes

I have 700-ish Zyra games, and I didn't even notice the change. If your goal is to do damage, it's kind of a waste of seeds and mana to spawn plants when you can't follow up with an aa.

I still don't really have a clear idea of what the change actually was. The patch note description of plant behavior doesn't match anything I've witnessed in 700 games, and nothing appears to be different after the patch.

HigeFeb 13, 20172 votes

This is what I was saying on another thread about Zyra and I got hit with the: "you don't play Zyra like I do so you know nothing" seriously, entitled people populate these forums.

Thank you for stopping by to shut those ppl who can't land ONE AUTOATTACK

HoosakiwiFeb 13, 20172 votes

I have 750K mastery points with her, primarily in mid lane. It's definitely noticeable there. She just doesn't have the same harass and it's especially problematic with her many counters.

As support, it's much less of an issue. :/

ZettoFeb 13, 20172 votes

There is a difference between harass and "congratulations you stepped within a mile of me time to lose 3/4 of your health bar".

VekknaFeb 13, 20171 votes

Afaik, they still prioritize the nearest enemy, even if it's a champ, right? At least that seemed to be the case in a few recent mid games I had. I could spawn plants closer to the river entrances, and they would prioritize the enemy laner as long as they were between the plant and the wave.

HoosakiwiFeb 13, 20171 votes

That's the problem though. With this update, it's less about skill with zyra and more about the stupidity of your lane opponent. If they are dumb enough to stay close to your seeds so you can proc them or dumb enough to be the closest thing to your plant, then you'll do damage.

I think this change would be far less of an issue for mid zyra if she had more control over her passive seed spawns, or shorter cooldowns + either a faster aa missile speed or a longer aa missile range.

ElishevaFeb 13, 20174 votes

Players that fight against any zyra ever " So you're telling me I need to kill her plants in one hit, her main source of damage, so she won't have her main source of damage? Blasphemy. "

HoosakiwiFeb 13, 20174 votes

The problem is not her support lane. It's her mid lane viability.

In the mage rework, they changed her kit to have a passive with random spawn seeds and made it so that she maximizes her damage from proccing as many plants as possible. Now, she has to choose between either spawning those plants and adding a SLOW as balls aa to her rotation in order to attack an enemy, or landing a q/e on a single w seed.

She has incredibly long cds and her aa range is much shorter than that of her plants. So as a zone mage, she legit has to walk closer to an opponent to get her plants to attack them.

So yeah...it's a massive problem for her mid lane viability.

ZapMyHeartFeb 13, 20171 votes

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You clearly don't play zyra much.

The problem is not her support lane. It's her mid lane viability.

In the mage rework, they changed her kit to have a passive with random spawn seeds and made it so that she maximizes her damage from proccing as many plants as possible. Now, she has to choose between either spawning those plants and adding a SLOW as balls aa to her rotation in order to attack an enemy, or landing a q/e on a single w seed.

She has incredibly long cds and her aa range is much shorter than that of her plants. So as a zone mage, she legit has to walk closer to an opponent to get her plants to attack them.

So yeah...it's a massive problem for her mid lane viability.

Her mid lane viability is fine. Players who played Zyra prior to her dumb rekit wouldn't notice a thing because that was WHAT you had to do in order to wreck mid lane opponents. Coming back from a long hiatus, current Zyra is just stupidly easy mode. If anything, her passive just made zone control a lot easier than her old kit.

Because back in the day, she only had 2 seeds available and you didn't have the luxury of throwing out Q or E in the general direction to summon her plants.

Sorry that you actually have to think a little now to abuse her for freelo.

HoosakiwiFeb 13, 20173 votes

Her e and q back in the day did a ton more damage and you placed the seeds. The new kit nerfed her damage on individual procs and increased it by the number of plants you have up. Her new passive is completely rng and you only control the 1-2 seeds using w (just like with her old kit) except that you get less damage out of the plants if you only proc those. The more plants you proc, the more damage you do.

I have 750k mastery points with zyra, primarily playing her mid and got to plat 2 with her last season.

ZapMyHeartFeb 14, 20171 votes

{quoted} The problem is not her support lane. It's her mid lane viability.

In the mage rework, they changed her kit to have a passive with random spawn seeds and made it so that she maximizes her damage from proccing as many plants as possible. Now, she has to choose between either spawning those plants and adding a SLOW as balls aa to her rotation in order to attack an enemy, or landing a q/e on a single w seed.

She has incredibly long cds and her aa range is much shorter than that of her plants. So as a zone mage, she legit has to walk closer to an opponent to get her plants to attack them.

So yeah...it's a massive problem for her mid lane viability.

Her e and q back in the day did a ton more damage and you placed the seeds. The new kit nerfed her damage on individual procs and increased it by the number of plants you have up. Her new passive is completely rng and you only control the 1-2 seeds using w (just like with her old kit) except that you get less damage out of the plants if you only proc those. The more plants you proc, the more damage you do.

I have 750k mastery points with zyra, primarily playing her mid and got to plat 2 with her last season.

Her E damage is still the same as it was before. Her old Q only had 10 extra damage per rank +0.05%AP before her new kit. Not a whole lot, considering her current Q has a wider AoE.

The fact is, with 3 plants (2 seeds + 1 passive one), you outdid the DPS that old Zyra did. Not exactly hard to do, considering she spawns seeds at a crazy amount. Add onto the fact that old Zyra didn't have the luxury of Thunderlord's, current Zyra does more damage than her by quite a huge amount even with 2 plants.

Sorry that you lost your freelo champion. Learn to play her like old Zyra players did before this general vicinity Q/E 'I'll take 50% of your hp in one go without even aiming' nonsense . Also, her AA range didn't change, with 575 range, it places her in one of the higher ranged mage champions (along with Annie), with the mage average is 550. Clearly, other mage's AA range should be buffed then. The AA speed is on the higher end for her as well. You simply didn't do your homework and throwing random statements to try and justify keeping her broken.

So please, tell me more [slayer-jinx-wink]

Papa AndreiFeb 13, 20173 votes

Its just annoying if you are pushed under tower and you can't really protect yourself cause you only got mana to cast q and need it to proc plants and not deal damage to the champion, and then proceed to get dived cause your plants are faming.

ReZisT LustFeb 13, 20171 votes

Buy a mana regen item?

YoungFarmerFeb 13, 20172 votes

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Its just annoying if you are pushed under tower and you can't really protect yourself cause you only got mana to cast q and need it to proc plants and not deal damage to the champion, and then proceed to get dived cause your plants are faming.

Lets be honest after you have item 3802 or item 3010 running out of mana isn't a problem...

Ultra Rapid FyreFeb 13, 20173 votes

awww poor zyra players. Must suck to not be able to deal absurd damage from a safety zone way behind your plants.

I feel so bad for them... oh wait, nope i dont

HoosakiwiFeb 13, 20172 votes

As an immobile zone mage, that's exactly how the champion is supposed to work. Like that's her champion design. If you get inside her zone, she dies.

ZettoFeb 13, 20172 votes

inb4 root/AOE knockup

no to toxicFeb 13, 20172 votes

Let`s be honest unless its Zyra randomly throwing her spells out she will hit you with her spells. Also why do some Zyra mains pretend to be Janna . The way they stay behind me like they are waititng for me to engage the enemy really makes me wonder if they got Schizophrenia. - small rant from a adc main wich is butthurt about those things