GJ Riot you gutted Quinn

Jefftiffy··8 votes·887 views

Someone who was a niche pick. Sure she got "reworked". But she lost a soft CC, mobility, and steroids for a more spammable ult that can't be used in combat and gives 0 steroids other than ms. And I just figured out that it also has a channel time. Because 3s of out of combat and 100 mana wasn't enough.

Quinn went from situational pick to useless. GJ Riot. Keep hiring those people who rework your champs and test them. You will lose all your players soon enough.

She is almost too literally a worse Sivir. I used to be able to have fun with her. This is just terrible, she has 0 identity. Her kit screams early game, but her numbers scream late game. She has no synergy in her anymore other than her E, W, and passive. You could of left Quinn as she used to be and just made her Q also mark someone and she would have been perfectly fine.

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Salron4 votes

"Gutted" Lol Have you even played her mid?

Jefftiffy1 votes

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"Gutted" Lol Have you even played her mid?

She can't mid. She never has been able to (her blind didn't help before and her damage amp is really hard to hit through a solid minion wave). Her numbers are worse now early game putting her at a disadvantage. And her power spike at 6 is non-existant. She can't solo lane anymore. And she can't really ADC either with her kit being all about diving in. Also her mana costs are pretty high for a mid laner putting her at a disadvantage if they happen to build any kind of sustain.

Cherysse1 votes

Before the Rework she could go mid, now she can't barely do anything, and she is not so good at ADC, people think she is OP now because they are seeing her in games, but they do not notice that what is OP now are the items which are heaily buffed up to an op state.

Fusarix1 votes

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She can't mid. She never has been able to (her blind didn't help before and her damage amp is really hard to hit through a solid minion wave). Her numbers are worse now early game putting her at a disadvantage. And her power spike at 6 is non-existant. She can't solo lane anymore. And she can't really ADC either with her kit being all about diving in. Also her mana costs are pretty high for a mid laner putting her at a disadvantage if they happen to build any kind of sustain.

Seriously? It seems as though you're speaking with absolutely NO experience. Quinn was a very powerful mid lane with very high assassination potential. You clearly haven't faced one that knew how to build her correctly / even played her yourself. Also, she doesn't have mana problems and with regards to the post at hand: sure, Riot changed her playstyle. But she's far from "Gutted" and the best goddamn champion we have for answering split pushes (A very popular strategy in the new season). Hello Tryndamere Yasuo : Not only does she totally crap on Yasuo and LeBlanc in lane (Very popular Mid lanes ATM) She can also duel Tryndamere quite well if your half-way decent at kiting. Give the new mechanics a chance. Also for the record. The cast time doesn't mean shit compared to how fast she moves, and the mana cost is reduce to ZERO at level 16. And don't try to tell me she can't duel Yas or Trynd without the blind. Because she can. I've done it several times in Platinum ELO. Its definatley Possible.

CasterGilgamesh2 votes

shes fucking annoying and pretty strong i basically got stomped as varus and she wasnt even my lane opponent.but i guess to be fair ive been stomped by every adc as varus this patch.

Jefftiffy2 votes

To anyone who wants to argue against me. Tell me why would you ever take Quinn over Sivir . You get near instant team mobility with Sivir. Quinn's, which is a lower amount and only for herself, has a timer preventing her from using it in or after combat, has nearly the same mana cost on it, and is lost if she even hits someone. On top of this she has no survivability anymore thanks to loss of her blind and her damage is effectively single target (her Q AoE is small and only effects one person with the damage amp instead of a group with blind). She also doesn't have that great of a mana pool or regen rate. Her only saving grace is that she has her E to keep distance but it is nulled if they have any displacements. Her W is a 40s CD for an extended vision bubble. Oh and for the millionth time. She lost several steroids. Her AS in ult is gone. Her ult moves slower than it used to (went from a sort of mini home guard to a item 3117 with the slightly more MS than item 3009. Her passive is up less often until late game (when she is already falling off). And to top this all off. She still has the major weakness of being very bad at team fights.

I also want to point out that she effectively lost 2 abilities as well. Because her E and Q basically reset when turning into Valor as well as made her Q more reliable.

So before you argue against me. Tell me how and the hell she is any better than she was before. She still has an meh late game and her early game got butchered. And her kit "didn't change". There is no reason a pro team would ever pick Quinn over Sivir anymore (not that many pro teams even used her this season, in fact they have even less of a reason to now). Let's put it this way. Quinn went from situationally good to situationally average. Her entire kit dipped down a tier. Not a single point got better other than her passive, but she will only ever proc that maybe 2 more times than before in a fight with no minions around.

Cherysse1 votes

Yes, but Rioters wanted to add the HotS mount to a champ, so who pays the price; Quinn, and us Quinn mains.. If they wanted to add the HotS mount to a champ they should have created a new champ instead of making us suffer this.

Regulas1 votes

A niche character main complaining about changes to their character.

Jefftiffy2 votes

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A niche character main complaining about changes to their character.

She was a very solid counter pick for people like Nasus, Darius, Tryndamere, and more top lane. A bunch of extremely annoying people. And they just went. "HA! NOPE! Quinn is supposed to be an ADC. Therefore you can't do anything with her until we finally realize that we are dumb and that not all marksman are ADCs" cough cough Teemo cough cough.

Essentially they took a situational low pick rate champ and made them even more situational.

Cherysse1 votes

Also they made her weaker, more situational and more reliant on snowbaliing than she ever was, also she has no scapes.. Why? because they wanted thee HotS mount into a champ.

ImpossibleGT1 votes

Are you implying Quinn doesn't still stomp melee top laners? Because she does.

I like her rework. Being able to triple-proc Harrier is a massive improvement. And her ultimate feels great. I love hunting all over the map at absurd speed turning every 1v1 into a 2v1 at a moments notice. I just wish they'd get rid of the mana costs at all ranks.

Jefftiffy1 votes

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Are you implying Quinn doesn't still stomp melee top laners? Because she does.

I like her rework. Being able to triple-proc Harrier is a massive improvement. And her ultimate feels great. I love hunting all over the map at absurd speed turning every 1v1 into a 2v1 at a moments notice. I just wish they'd get rid of the mana costs at all ranks.

Her ult is slower than it used to be. Also it now requires being out of combat for about 5 seconds in total to use. Her Q not blinding is actually a huge nerf to her dueling potential. That window removal allows 3 AAs to go off that didn't before and she is pretty damn squishy.

ImpossibleGT2 votes

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Her ult is slower than it used to be. Also it now requires being out of combat for about 5 seconds in total to use. Her Q not blinding is actually a huge nerf to her dueling potential. That window removal allows 3 AAs to go off that didn't before and she is pretty damn squishy.

Lets not pretend anyone actually used her old ult for the mobility. It was a dueling/chasing tool. Nobody ever wasted the 130 cd on moving between lanes quickly.

She's not an assassin anymore. She was never intended to be in the first place, but her kit was stupidly awkward and that's the role she kind of ended up in. She's a roaming ADC who doesn't go bot lane. She's not supposed to be dueling. She's supposed to be jumping into number-advantageous fights and doing the DPS while simultaneously managing all lane pushing. And she excels at that.

I'm exceptionally happy with her new kit, I think it was the best of the ADC reworks. I only wish they'd fixed Harrier's stupid bugs while they were at it.

Cherysse1 votes

When you hit the max CDR cap her ults ends at 60 second cooldown, I used it to roam from time to time, I also used it to get faster to team fight or to a gank as well too, but now her ult has no true battle potential because it is just a mount.

And her kit is practically the same, what ruins her now is this new taxi cab ult. Im not arguing about the other changes (except the blind which was essential), I am arguing about her ult, only her ult.

ModWulf Helhammer1 votes

Just a point, but Quinn's ult was actually designed to be an assassination from the start

Chespin20131 votes

LOL Quinn is not gutted by any means if anything shes more annoying than ever

Jefftiffy1 votes

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LOL Quinn is not gutted by any means if anything shes more annoying than ever

She got more damage but lost a ton of steroids (therefore some DPS as well) and some utility. She went from Urgot tier (situational) to about as viable as Teemo ADC.

Chespin20131 votes

LOL your delusional m8. Quinn is finally getting recognized that she is annoying and you're just here trying to convince Riot to not nerf her without any reason why. Face it she's not gutted if anything she's stronger then she ever was before. Face it all champions don't stay the same state forever. Champs get buffed or nerfed by Riot just so that they can have some time in the spotlight to make the game feel fresh for players. Quinn is too annoying and needs to be toned down. Nothing is stopping you from playing Urgot, Teemo, or Quinn ADC, only the meta sheep mentality is. I still play Mordekaiser in Mid even after the rework because fuck the meta.

ModWulf Helhammer1 votes

I'll admit that 5.22 Quinn sucks, but the changes coming in 5.23 help her out a lot, make her feel more like Quinn. I'll still miss the ability to jump on someone and kill them bird to the face style, but with the new blind, it really helps with her dueling and power so that you can actually do something when you ult into a lane (even if you're not really fed)

fear of Quinn1 votes

New quinn sucks as hell. Terrible noob champion. I have over 5k games with Quinn(check profle) and i can ensure u that new quinn troll is a very weak and noob champion to everything except from exploring the map (if u have mana) and some chasing vs melees at top cause of some extra speed after harrier. She sucks hard imo. I uninstalled the game and hate this Quinn trash that she dropped me 4 divisions in less than a week. If you dont believe me check her lower win ratio after rework and the point that the failers in riot decided to rework her and buff her again at patch 5.23. That means they saw the numbers and it wasnt a success story. Uninstall and find a stable game that respect the players and mains.

Best Valor NA1 votes

Coming from a Quinn main who first heard the rework and thought "I'm quitting league, screw riot" The change isn't all that bad, the blind was removed from Q (which is understandable) and was replaced with another mark proc, this gave her a lot more chase potential because when you auto attack a marked target you get the movespeed and attack speed buff from W passive. So Q in all was a buff. Her ult though, gives you incredibly powerful roaming ability, and gets you back to lane very quickly, making it so you lose less CS to turret, these are great for top and mid lane. Sure her ult isn't the greatest for combat, and i agree the 2 second cast time is ridiculous, but after playing the new rework the change is not as bad as i expected it to be.

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