Auto-fill has reduced ranked games to a dice roll. When is this going to be improved?

Yenn··6 votes·1,094 views

Nearly 100% of my ranked losses right now are caused by auto-fill, and I assume the vast majority of my wins are also attributed to auto-fill, because a player in a role they absolutely cannot play essentially turns the game into a 4v5; in most cases, the team with the auto-filled player would be better off if they just left or went AFK.

I'm estimating that every single game right now has at least one auto-fill, and it's not always support. I'm encountering auto-filled jungle and top significantly more often than support. I've even encountered a couple of auto-filled mid lanes, which leads me to believe that the entire feature is broken or too aggressive in trying to start games quickly, with no regard for whether the match-up is good.

Yesterday, I had a 5 loss streak, where every single loss had at least one (often two) players on my team auto-filled. In most of these games, myself and another player both won our lanes and helped the auto-filled players stay in the game, but we could not compensate for their lack of knowledge and skill with their role/champion. Even giving them a gold advantage, they couldn't really do anything, because they couldn't effectively play their champions.

This may be fine in normal, but it's not okay in ranked. Something really needs to be done; ranked games should always prioritize a good match up over a fast queue.

Also note that auto-fill is not equivalent to the pre-draft issue of having to play all roles. In those days, you had to play most roles regularly, so you were always in practice and proficient at all or most roles. Right now, you play your primary role in 90% of games, which leaves you out of practice with the other roles.

13 Comments

jwebb01132 votes

well just as far as the troll, the afker and feeder wouldnt it be more likely to have the autofilled person on the other team then yours ?

cuz if you dont troll, afk or feed then that means there is less likely of a chance of that on your team cuz you arent it... so if you get your role then chances are its more likely the other team has the autofilled player

and just cuz all of your loses are due to autofilled dont mean the enemy didnt have an autofilled on their team and won

Yenn3 votes

{quoted} and just cuz all of your loses are due to autofilled dont mean the enemy didnt have an autofilled on their team and won

You didn't even read my post. Why would you comment without reading the post?

Nearly 100% of my ranked losses right now are caused by auto-fill, and I assume the vast majority of my wins are also attributed to auto-fill

There's a 4/9 chance of my team having the auto-fill and 5/9 chance of the enemy team having the auto-fill. I'm slightly more likely to win, but the root problem is that having an auto-fill trumps playing well in terms of the outcome, which is a huge problem.

The role also matters. A passive auto-filled support (i.e. Soraka) can be fine. An auto-filled top will get stomped, and an auto-filled jungle will often be useless.

jwebb01131 votes

i read it...

and autofill is no different then prior to season 6 when the last pick /two picks were forced to fill roles after the other picks made their selections and we all honored "pick order"

so how is it different now then then ?

MrHaZeYo2 votes

Lol pretty sure Ranked has in a sense been luck of the draw long before auto fill.

Xylinth2 votes

I dont agree with autofill, but it has to be done. It's just a real fucking cluster fuck in Silver 2 under. Whenever I do get autofilled, which is rarely anymore, I end up losing the game because I don't know what the fuck I'm doing, but it sure does beat the 1/5 chance of you getting last picked anymore, that's for sure. Talk about playing Russian Roulette

Yenn1 votes

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I dont agree with autofill, but it has to be done. It's just a real fucking cluster fuck in Silver 2 under. Whenever I do get autofilled, which is rarely anymore, I end up losing the game because I don't know what the fuck I'm doing, but it sure does beat the 1/5 chance of you getting last picked anymore, that's for sure. Talk about playing Russian Roulette

That system was better for people who are actually good at the game, because you get to stay in practice with all roles.

You're missing the point, which is that for every time you're not auto-filled, someone else is, and they make you lose, just as you make your team lose when you get auto-filled.

WoonStruck1 votes

Especially since the bot lane that loses usually makes their team lose the game.

And an autofilled bot lane makes that near-guaranteed.

jwebb01132 votes

ok but prior to season 6 when we use the pick order system last pick on each team was forced majority of the time to fill as support

WoonStruck1 votes

Prior to season 6, the outcome of bot lane didn't determine 90% of games.

Everyone had a lot more individual agency compared to now outside of ADC/support.

jwebb01132 votes

actually prior to season 6 teams typically were completely picked and oriented around the adc ... aka protect the adc comps...

it was even meta in pro play... where you pick the late game hyper carry... pick a comp to protect and shield them and empower them and wait til 24+ min for them to hit their power spike and carry as an adc ...

the game as changed from this... and when people use the statement that the bot lane who loses typically loses game... well no shit... 40% of your team is bot... if they both do bad then the enemy gets two members who are strong.. and if any other role/lane wins the bot lane who won with the other lane who won typically have the gold lead and map control

and with the super agro meta we have had there is more 3/4 man roams and dives bot to control the lane and to get drag/1st turret and create that lead and to obtain map control

so its a meta that the player base has adapted ... so which ever team gets the advantage there typically wins regardless of autofill or not. no longer to we see the farm fest bot lanes to mid-late game team fights any more this happens a lot sooner

Yenn1 votes

{quoted}

ok but prior to season 6 when we use the pick order system last pick on each team was forced majority of the time to fill as support

I also address that in my post, further proving that you didn't even read the post. Please stop commenting until you read it.

Prior to season 6, you played other roles regularly, so you were both in practice and knew how to play those roles. Right now, you very rarely play anything by your main role, so you're at the very least out of practice, even if you know how to play them.

jwebb01132 votes

Also note that auto-fill is not equivalent to the pre-draft issue of having to play all roles. In those days, you had to play most roles regularly, so you were always in practice and proficient at all or most roles. Right now, you play your primary role in 90% of games, which leaves you out of practice with the other roles.

not once did you bring up pick order regarding rank in this statement...

you brought up PRE DRAFT .. as in blind pick... i said pick order which is used in draft pick which is rank ( yes i know there is pick order normals )

so plz stop with the bs that i didnt read your statement when i did . if you dont like my comments then so be ... but its not cuz i didnt fukin read it

Kai Guy1 votes

I get that loss streaks are a bitch, but come on man just look into things a bit more. All 5 losses your mid velkoz so your landed your main for all of them.

Game 1. Rengar mains Mid, jungle 2nd. Has over 130 games jungle, Was rango 2 games previously both losses. This is not him being filled, its playing a champ hes bad at. Due to Role protection after being filled I doubt that he was autofilled some how for the 3rd game straight of rango. Gragas , Mains Mid tops 2ndary. 1 out of 4 games as grag at losses and his win rates are sub 50% both his main roles, honestly looks like this guy just 1 tricked ahri to climb ladder. Dude played 2 games of grag a few days ago on same day. Dude played grag and lost in your game and later the same day, well with in what Role protection covers. Doubt he was filled. Janna Mains Mid and ADC. Looks like they hopped on the Janna bandwagon cuz they played it befor your loss,so again protections in place, his own fault to play it. Not related to auto fill. Lucian Mains ADC, 2nd is Jungle. Terrible win rates on both roles. and this guy shoulda just stuck to playing WW. Anyhow had adc game befor and game after, looks like a bandwagon cuz its not a position he wins at well. So 0 fill impact.

Game 2. Jayce has almost 100 games as jayce and mains top. Gragas Literaly won 5 games as jungle Grag befor your loss. Twitch ADC main, ran twich randomly who it seems is not one of his main ADC picks. Of his most played champions 7 out of 10 are ADC. 4 out of 5 top played are also adc. Not a fill Nidalee Mains support but decided to troll your team for who knows why. Was Rakan game befor so they had Auto fill protection. 0 fill impact.

Game 3. Urgot Mains top had 4 win urgot top streak befor your loss. Cant blame fill Shyvana This guys unranked WTF BBQ.. oh wait he is duoing with your thresh and was Plat and gold last 2 seasons. Suppose his MMR is not to far off. Also regardless that would not be related to Fill. going from previous his best role was jungle and in season 5 4 out of 5 top played champions where jungles and all of them positive win rates. Tristana Adc Main, has 35 games as trist making her their 2nd most played champ. also adc for 1st most games and adc in 3rd 4th 5th. Not filled. Thresh The other duo, doesn't seem to be playing much ranked. Did a lot of support in season 3. Alistar 2nd most played champ last season. Currently break down is 50% jungle and 50% support. If you want to claim this is an auto fill loss despite this guy playing supports over the last several yeares then screw it I wont contradict you.

Game 4. Jax Top main, Bad jax. Not filled. went on to play back to back 2 more games of jax and lost both. Nocturne Jungled both games prior to your match won them both. Not filled Janna Has more wins as janna then losses, Mains support and has over 100 games as various supports. 3 out of 5 most played champs? support! Sooooooo No this was not a fill. Xayah last 6 games are all adc. Mains adc and mid. Negative on the fill chief.

Game 5. Poppy Exclusively runs jungle. Has 2 games as top and 1 game adc outside of that. Kinda hard to blame fill as odds are they got their 2nd role and just suck at it. Also was 2nd best in damage and had 3rd best kda so shes not the main contribution to that loss. I cant see blaming auto fill for this, dude 1 tricks jungle. Kindred Mains adc 2ndary is jungle. Looks like its again NOT A FILL. Capslocks op. Jhin ADC main. Thresh Mid main support 2ndary and blokes got almost 150 games of thresh this season.

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