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Camille: 1 Ult = 1 Kill

Eedat··44 votes·2,634 views

The rest of Camille's kit can be adjusted with numbers but WHY did you give her that ult on top of a massive gap closer?

1 Ult = 1 Kill and here's how

Her jungler is coming and even if you're positioning very far back, she uses her massive gap closer to get close enough to ult you. You are now completely powerless to avoid the incoming gangbang and resulting free kill

Why on earth did you give her ult this mechanic?

Now I know, someone is going to say "hurr durr knock her out of it" which is a massive load of BS. Why? You know what is a great indicator of a champion's health? "Well it's my pick and their top laner hasnt locked in so I guess I should pick Poppy 100% of the time just because Camille exists as a champion". That surely is an indicator of a healthy champion. Much fun! Inb4 someone says pick some garbage tier top laner like Gragas or Alistar. Or better yet pick an ADC like Trust or Vayne because my team didn't need a frontline or initiator, fuck them.

She is pushing over 55% winrate ON HER RELEASE PATCH. Even higher than that the higher ELO you get. Good job Riot. Already time to Azir her and wait for a rework in 3 years. Already at 70-80% ban rate. Gonna be funny when it's 90+ when we get 10 bans

67 Comments

Rebonack11 votes

{quoted} She is pushing over 55% winrate ON HER RELEASE PATCH. Even higher than that the higher ELO you get. Good job Riot. Already time to Azir her and wait for a rework in 3 years. Already at 70-80% ban rate. Gonna be funny when it's 90+ when we get 10 bans

I think you're being overly optimistic.

It'll be closer to 100% ban.

dunder kill8 votes

Someone's gotta give Kassawin a run for his money right?

Xonra1 votes

She has already replaced Yasuo as my go to ban regardless of who I am playing, or what role.

legionnaire997 votes

Darius I think you mean time for a double kill right?

Supreme Senpai692 votes

Illaoi This guy gets it

Sire Hippington6 votes

The worst thing is how they handle her on PBE. Nerfs to health/level and her passive shield later on. This just makes her more reliant on the bullshit ult to start snowballing.

They should realise that her ult was not a good idea ans needs to be scrapped, else she#s going to get Shened - getting her base kit and stats gutted to compensate for a broken ult. I love her QWE, and she could be a rather healthy and fun fighter without that ult, but i saidly have little hope in riot actually makeing the right call...not with their track record over the last two seasons.

Danjeng5 votes

To be fair, an Urgot ult is a guaranteed kill if his (or its) jungler comes to gank. Not only is it a point and click suppression. It will also switch your position with Urgot, (so now he is between you and your tower), and also slow you too.

Jorencice4 votes

Still not 98.8% ban like kass.

Astôlfo2 votes

Ultimate lasts 4 seconds. If you didn't ward to see her jungler coming for the 1v2, that's your fault. If you did ward and saw jungler coming and pushed past turret anyways while her ult was up, that's also your fault. If you did ward and pushed past turret while her ult was up but jungler wasn't there, said jungler isn't going to have much of an impact even if they run in at full speed, since most of said 4s will be wasted on them getting to you. So it's still mostly just a 1v1.

Eedat17 votes

only 4 seconds

Lmfao.

Astôlfo3 votes

Do you have vision problems or do you like just putting words in other peoples' mouth?

Eedat9 votes

It's an entire second longer than Morg bind. It is enough time for the jungler to get from the enemy tower to the middle of the lane with time left over. Let me just ward their base so I know when it's safe to stand in XP range. Get out dude, your bronze is showing. I'm a only a Gold shitter and even in not bad enough to shrug off how insanely long a point and click FOUR SECOND cc is

Astôlfo1 votes

You should learn the meaning of the words you're even pulling out of your ass. Point and click is something targeted, like her ultimate. Her E stun is an AoE effect tied to a skillshot.

Her ultimate doesn't stop you from moving. Run around and force Camille to chase you and waste time.

Eedat5 votes

Her. Ult. Is. Point. And. Click. Four. Second. CC.

She. Doesn't. Have. To. Hit. You. With. Her. E. To. Ult. You. Afterwards.

Clear enough? Inb4 "her ult isn't CC". Just don't dude. Just don't.

Astôlfo1 votes

Her ult only stops you from exiting. It does literally nothing else. You are not at the edge when you are ulted. You are smack-dab in the center. It does not directly CC you.

Okay, so outside of her Flashing, why are you letting her just casually saunter up so she can use her ultimate which has an extremely short cast range?

Learn what you're talking about. It's still amusing how you conveniently are still ignoring the point about you shoving words into others' mouthes.

Eedat8 votes

Holy mother of Bronze. Just when I thought I was still bad because I'm only Gold, I get reminded of what Bronze 4 is. Well I'm still bad, but at least I'm not that bad.

"Just let her casually saunter up" like she doesn't have a massive gap closer? Do you even know what her abilties do? You want to go read them rel quick? Are you aware there is literaly not a single place in top lane that her E won't put her in range to ult?

"Just stand 2 full screens away from her and you wont get ulted hurr durr" -Bronze logic

Xonra4 votes

This isn't a matter of bad, this is a matter of dumb lol

I am personally not great at this game, but I'm not dumb about this game.

This guy is dumb about this game.

Automated Riven1 votes

No bronze logic is that if you dive her then it doesnt matter if she ults cause then you are where you wanna be anyway.

dunder kill8 votes

4 seconds is legit long enough for an enemy jungler at Baron pit to catch lol

Astôlfo1 votes

And you didn't ward why?

dunder kill10 votes

Yeah let me keep permavision of the entire river all the way down to mid lane while also keeping permavision of the entire jungle around my lane while also keeping a ward under their tower because I can legit get straight up lane ganked in 4 seconds.

And you're telling me to get good why? You're Bronze 4 kid. All you do is prowl the boards to act like you're not one of the absolute worst players in LoL. This smurf isn't even level 30 yet and my MMR is over 2 full tiers ahead of yours lmao.

Thank god the game isnt balanced around Bronze

Its All Skillzz18 votes

{quoted}

only 4 seconds

Lmfao.

4 seconds is long fucking time to be stuck in 1 place in league of leauge of legends. enough time for jungler to come from scuttler to top lane and gangbang you while your stuck in the ult zone. enough time for you to be hit by several other ults in team fights. enough time to get someone who is a high threat an squishy completely locked down. i mean hell morg binding is like 3 seconds and getting hit by that shit is like you dced.

Supreme Senpai692 votes

It's literally longer than a fully ranked Morgana Q, which is a freakin meme for how long that is

ChaoticPinecone3 votes

Morg's Q roots you in one position. Camille's ult gives you 1000 units to play with.

You cant compare the time of one ability to a completely different ability based on the length of time the ability is active. Thats just ridiculous.

Supreme Senpai692 votes

You can easily compare the time. Why the hell can't you? Lol. One is three seconds and one is four. Boom, just did!

What would be ridiculous is inferring balance because of that difference. Very obviously, you can't do that since they are two completely different champions. I didn't think that even needed to be said.

What I did was, in response to someone saying 4 seconds wasn't a long time, showed that the OG meme for long duration abilities was actually shorter. In league, 4 seconds is like an eternity!

Oh. It also looks like the person I was replying to edited that in, so now it looks like I just copied and pasted what he said. :l

ChaoticPinecone1 votes

Time is only relevant when it is compared to the ability.

A root that is 3 seconds that prevents you from moving is a relatively long CC. 4 Seconds for you to be in a 1000 range? Not so much. GP ult that lasts for 8 seconds, but you can escape easily? Not a very effective CC.

So keep arguing that Morgana's Q is somehow relevent to Camille's ult. Just makes you look ignorant and stupid.

Supreme Senpai691 votes

Lmao no need to go around slinging insults because something someone said on an internet forum somehow upset you. Is 4 seconds a long time? Yes. That's the point I was making, to those of you who don't get hung up on specific words.

ChaoticPinecone1 votes

I never insulted you. I just said that your comparison made you look ignorant and stupid. You seem to be unable to recognize when I am criticizing your point vs insulting you as a person. Not everybody pointing out the flaws of your comparison is insulting you.

Your post just tells more about you than it does to me. Upset? I'm not upset - I'm logically pointing out why your comparison has no value. I dont know where you got "upset" from that. In fact, I'd probably assume that youre upset - your kneejerk reaction to anybody who points out the flaws of your argument makes it seem that way, at least.

4 seconds is 4 seconds. Its neither long, nor short, nor medium. 4 seconds is just a measurement. Whether its long or not depends on what youre saying lasts for 4 seconds.

Ferus and Ferrum1 votes

I mean, Morgana Q is also her Q ability, versus an ultimate so not the best comparrison.

Supreme Senpai691 votes

It's not a comparison but rather a standard. If Morganas Q is considered a long time, then how can Camille's R which is longer be considered not a long time? Obviously Camille's should be better. Yet if you want to go that route, which is a very slippery route mind you, then you'd have to account for Camille's abilities are being really good while most of Morgana's power is in her Q. But they're super different roles so it's not really fair to say that, really.

ShaolinToilet1 votes

Just want to say gragas is not a garbage tier top lane

Xonra3 votes

Anyone who says "only 4 seconds" in regards to a full out fight in League of Legends is someone I can never take seriously.

4 seconds is MASSIVE in league of legends.

You are just spouting bs in this about "well you pushed up so is your fault" and that kind of garbage. Just stop.

Astôlfo1 votes

I never said "only 4 seconds". Please learn to read. Stop implying words and meanings and shoving things into my mouth. Thanks.

Xonra4 votes

You have been wrong in every post you've made in this thread. Feel free to keep pouty downvoting everyone trying to get that through to you. shrugs

Denims Wrath6662 votes

its these people saying she isn't op, that fail to grasp why darius is op. like this is clearly a BIG FLAG that riot is officially giving no fucks about balance or gameplay quality. that moment when the biggest troll of league that neeeds to be reformed is league itself

Eedat1 votes

Darius really isnt OP. I main Wukong who gets absolutely destroyed in lane by Darius, but there are ways to play around him. You bait his Q at level 2 to auto-push the wave to your tower then just farm there. I can avoid him for the most part. I can at least stay relevant until after laning phase where I'm much more useful than him.

Camille, on the other hand, has a guaranteed death sentence once she pops 6 and insane mobility to catch you out wherever you are in lane. At least Darius is compositely immobile which gives you an option for playing safe. Playing safe against Camille is legit playing an entire screen and a half away from her

Ferus and Ferrum1 votes

Of course, Instant death every time. It's not like you have these things called spell and autoattacks that deal damage to her or anything. What a ridiculous notion it is, that you could actually ever fight back versus her, instead of simply standing on the edge taking free damage for four seconds. 100% stunrate on her guaranteed e gapcloser that isn't telegraphed at all, no warning on her other spells either, no delay on the damage at all. Also her sustain is cost free so it's impossible to whittle her down at all since she has the best health per 5 alongside Riven.

She's overtuned right now without a shadow of a doubt, but "guaranteed death sentence" at 6? Come on. The ult doesn't even do damage, gives you combat stats, but only if you're hitting the other guy,

Revali2 votes

Illaoi Darius Olaf Poppy Renekton

#I AM NOT TRAPPED IN HERE WITH YOU, YOU ARE TRAPPED IN HERE WITH ME

xxxDogmanxxx2 votes

XinZhao Camille Ult? You mean that cute hexagon that lasted 0.6 seconds before I sent her and her entire team flying?

Lùmen2 votes

ENRAGED SALT WARRIORS

Asayake 5150glow1 votes

Her ult is literally a point and click single target Bard ult, or at least can be used that way. And it lasts twice as long.

Legacy Hydralpha2 votes

I don't think I'd ever compare Bard ult and Camille ult, her ult is closer to that of a J4 ult. Jump someone, area that they can't leave, except hers is much better.

Rebonack1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Legacy Hydralpha,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Geq1AdjE,comment-id=00080000,timestamp=2017-01-05T01:48:38.855+0000)

I don't think I'd ever compare Bard ult and Camille ult, her ult is closer to that of a J4 ult. Jump someone, area that they can't leave, except hers is much better.

It's a J4 Ult that Vayne can't use to stun the caster.

Asayake 5150glow1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Legacy Hydralpha,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Geq1AdjE,comment-id=00080000,timestamp=2017-01-05T01:48:38.855+0000)

I don't think I'd ever compare Bard ult and Camille ult, her ult is closer to that of a J4 ult. Jump someone, area that they can't leave, except hers is much better.

It's a pick, so yes they're pretty much the same.

TotalJerk1 votes

Her ult is fine. Her E is fine. What's complete bullshit is having both of those on the same kit. Honestly I get the feeling that unless she is completely trash she will become pick-or-ban in competitive play.

IA9hRfpP5q1 votes

one shot. one kill

Serika Zero1 votes

Brand: 1 ult = 5 kills http://wallpaper-gallery.net/images/fire/fire-18.jpg

Miku Append1 votes

Back in my day, when you got ulted by an enemy you were destined to die. Nowadays there's this mobility ult privilege.

[zombie-nunu-bummed]

Lellistair1 votes

It can't be as bad as Katarina press R for a triple kill

Its All Skillzz1 votes

Just gonna leave this here. https://youtu.be/5aWto9N2vIk notice how there was legit nothing i could do or my team could do to save me as i ran around helplessly untill i lost 90% of m hp to a triforce ga camille untill a draven ult killed me.

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