It's getting ridiculous that Graves jungle is going another patch without nerfs

PapaGreg21·Mar 22, 2017·12 votes·1,048 views

This champion isn't even designed to be a jungler and has been overpowered for almost a year in bronze to pro level without having any real weaknesses. I'm sick of complaining about this but what else are we going to do about it then let Riot know there is a clear imbalance in their game that is seemingly never addressed? I used to be a Sejuani main and her offense was literally cut in half after having 1 good month of play. We are beginning to go on years with Graves not seeing any real nerf.

8 Comments

dunder killMar 22, 20173 votes

How is he not designed to be a jungler?

Jaygo41Mar 23, 20173 votes

He takes no damage in the jungle and is strong at all points in the game. He gets essentially free resistances the longer a fight goes on, and with longer range than a melee, he decides what fights he wants to take.

On paper, all 3 of his abilities are extremely strong. Against the wall, his Q does insane damage. His W is one of the strongest utility spells in the game and zones like few spells can. His E gives him insane resistances, a dash, and an auto attack reset.

His R is just long range burst, but it also has a knockback which aids in kiting. Oh, and it can be cancelled if comboed with an AA+E into going forward. What the hell is that?

I saw a thread about Kindred vs. Graves and the answer is that Graves should be strong in the early game and Kindred should be strong later. The problem is that fundamentally, Graves scales EXTREMELY well due to being an AD carry. How do you balance that? Where is the weak point* in his armor? His early game is one of the safest in the game AND he can invade at will. Most of the champs that are meta don't have CC, so not having CC isn't the issue people think it is when the meta is Shaco, Kha'Zix, Rengar, and other champs STRICTLY meant for carrying/damage. Champs with CC probably have shit jungle clears anyway.

He's anti tank, has tank stats, huge DPS, high burst, and his W is underrated utility. Unbelievable that this is allowed.

Edit: Apparently what i used instead of "weak point" was a racial slur. I knew that, but didn't intend it that way. Fixed.

LexLutheran87Mar 23, 20171 votes

You said it yourself, cc screws him over. Stun him and he pops like a balloon. Get him locked down for 2 secs and your team will dumpster him come team fight. If your paper assassins are losing to the scissor duelist, take a rock to it and let your teammate assassins enjoy some sweet revenge.

Jaygo41Mar 23, 20171 votes

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You said it yourself, cc screws him over. Stun him and he pops like a balloon. Get him locked down for 2 secs and your team will dumpster him come team fight. If your paper assassins are losing to the scissor duelist, take a rock to it and let your teammate assassins enjoy some sweet revenge.

This isn't necessarily true, and "just CC him" is bad advice when he can often save his "dodge" for when anything threatening comes toward him. In fights, he gets free resistances and his defenses are further amplified by items that he has for most of the game like phantom dancer, so "popping" him isn't always a viable solution. Graves is a disaster to fight. If your lanes go even and you have Graves on your team over basically any other jungler, he wins. He can outplay and burst assassins and also beat on tanks with LDR or black cleaver. He simply doesn't need that many resistances and the fact that they dance around nerfing this champ by compensating him is ridiculous.

PapaGreg21Mar 24, 20171 votes

He ideally would not be allowed to knock back jungle camps so he has a less healthy clear. That way they can balance him around bot lane again where his weakness is being shorter range than other adcs but he still keeps his strengths.

Brutalitops01Mar 22, 20171 votes

A) Graves has already gotten a lot of nerfs (crits having 6 shots instead of the 8 they had originally, no longer pushes back scuttle, damage reductions across the board, nerfs to the E tankiness, Q no longer instantly pops when hitting terrain, but still pops faster, etc.) B) Riot has said that nerfs to both him and Camille are likely coming later in this PBE cycle or in the next cycle, when they get stuff worked out for them.