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Bring back tanks, and fix the jungle.

Nhika··25 votes·8,463 views

Please hear me out on this... every single tank champion made for really good matchmaking, and they actually stopped players from snowballing like mad in big teamfights.

Now as a Tank you are struggling in the early game AND late. ADC's with Infinity Edge just wreck your world..

Now whenever players want to grab a goofy champ, they instantly get popped in teamfights. (Poppy..)

When tanks are strong.. there were even items that were made to counter them. item 3153 strong vs tanks, with an average mid to late for popping other ADC's item 3151 was so good it had to be nerfed lol

I'd say it's time to buff up tank items, but not the ones that counter BoTrK. item 3075 If this item was to be buffed, grievous runes would have to go away. (it also needs some regen or healing so tanks can 2nd item buy it) item 3742 good tank item, doesn't obliterate adc's either. I think it should retain the movement speed if you hit minions or towers though. item 3143 The anti crit passive should definitely go away, in favor for higher base armor and health. The activation on this item has always been terrible (in comparison to item 3800)

Tanks and mages also suffer with the jungle.. item 1039 BUFF IT ALREADY

32 Comments

Dracocrash24 votes

These are some TERRIBLE ideas. I'm not trying to be mean, but there's no way to sugar coat this. Let's break it down

Removing grievous wounds from thonrnmail is a recipe for disaster. It is currently the only method tanks have of dealing with life steal, there is no other grievous wounds item that tanks can purchase.

Dead mans plate is barely even a tank item, it provides a mix of defence and offence in the form of its passive. It goes into the same category as frozen mallet. Most champions who build dead mans plate are bruisers that want to utilize the movement speed and burst from the auto, like garen/darius.

Randuins omen is a pretty niche tank item that is especially good vs champs like yasuo and crit adcs. Why do you want to remove its anti-crit passive and make it a ball of stats? It's like asking to remove the % hp damage from BORK in exchange for more AD.

TheSingularity1 votes

While I agree 100% in relation to his suggestions (buffing either of the jug items is a no go zone as is buffing thorn), I wouldn't mind seeing some of the 1400 HP and 100 armor that's been removed from tank items, put back into them.

Simplemalk9 votes

Yeah damage is out of control. Typical unless you're playing in very high ELOs it's just which group pounds the buttons fastest. Because 99% of the player base don't know how to use their kit effectively DPS based characters have an unfair advantage.

RightWingIdiot1 votes

Non DPS champions have to work 10x as hard as brainless point, click or press this button here for damagelolz champions because this damage creep meta (or should be called the way LoL will always be from now on) makes it too easy.

III BAKURYU III 7 votes

Riot won't buff tanks because the majority of players are 5 year old kids who just want another "Call of Duty" like game. Dmg, dmg, dmg, dmg, kills, kills, kills........ AKA clown fiestas!
Honestly, here in about a year(ish) League will be fully dead...

Daddy Ants1 votes

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Riot won't buff tanks because the majority of players are 5 year old kids who just want another "Call of Duty" like game. Dmg, dmg, dmg, dmg, kills, kills, kills........ AKA clown fiestas!
Honestly, here in about a year(ish) League will be fully dead...

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There has been tank buffs in most patches this season so far.

III BAKURYU III 1 votes

Great! I'm not so much talking about little ole' champion buff that helps 3-5 champions but league itself. How many champions have been buffed with armor/hp/mr etc the past year......? Games are still 25 min 1 sided stomps, 100-0 1 click abilities, get slowed, rooted, stun, cc'd for a year in which there's another death in itself.
Riot would need to fix many things to make tanks viable in today's league - why would you tank against 1 click abilities when you can just do the clicking?

CrazyMonkeyCZ

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Riot won't buff tanks because the majority of players are 5 year old kids who just want another "Call of Duty" like game. Dmg, dmg, dmg, dmg, kills, kills, kills........ AKA clown fiestas!
Honestly, here in about a year(ish) League will be fully dead...

Literally thing I started to hear at the end of S2, never stopped, dying is surely slow process. I absolutely utterly hate tank meta and any tank player is braind3ad person, it's literally worse version of Dota...

XJ999999999999995 votes

the problem with blade king is its too good of an item and good through all stages of the game.

Thefrostyviking1 votes

item 3153 on its own is far from broken.

Add in conqueror to convert the damage and a rageblade to multiply that though and you have a whole other beast at hand.

....Actually just rageblade and a heap of attackspeed is sufficient with some armor pen.

BigFBear4 votes

Dude we are rushing into tank meta with mach 3. Haven't you noticed yet?

  • Cinderhulk Buff
  • Aftershock change forces it's users to build more tanky
  • Several Resolve Rune buffs
  • Several Tank/Juggernaut Buffs
  • Scuttle change favours tanky Junglers

8 of the top 9 Junglers in Plat + are tanky champs already (Yi is the 1 who is not).

https://lolalytics.com/deu/ranked/worldwide/platinum/plus/champions/

Daddy Ants1 votes

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Dude we are rushing into tank meta with mach 3. Haven't you noticed yet?

  • Cinderhulk Buff
  • Aftershock change forces it's users to build more tanky
  • Several Resolve Rune buffs
  • Several Tank/Juggernaut Buffs
  • Scuttle change favours tanky Junglers

8 of the top 9 Junglers in Plat + are tanky champs already (Yi is the 1 who is not).

https://lolalytics.com/deu/ranked/worldwide/platinum/plus/champions/

Not only that but

Vayne Conqueror item 3153 item 3124

are getting nerfed or have been nerfed.

chipndip11 votes

{quoted}

Dude we are rushing into tank meta with mach 3. Haven't you noticed yet?

  • Cinderhulk Buff
  • Aftershock change forces it's users to build more tanky
  • Several Resolve Rune buffs
  • Several Tank/Juggernaut Buffs
  • Scuttle change favours tanky Junglers

8 of the top 9 Junglers in Plat + are tanky champs already (Yi is the 1 who is not).

https://lolalytics.com/deu/ranked/worldwide/platinum/plus/champions/

Ah yes, the infamous tanks Kha'Zix, Karthus, Vi, Hecarim, and let's not forget Elise and Evelynn. All these TANKS in my jungle.

BigFBear1 votes

Did i ever say that no one is playing Khazix anymore?? I just said that 8 out of top 9 (in wr) are tanky.

chipndip11 votes

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Did i ever say that no one is playing Khazix anymore?? I just said that 8 out of top 9 (in wr) are tanky.

Elise and Karthus?

Like, if you're talking about a tank meta, shouldn't the top champs be tanks, not skirmishers, assassins, and fighters?

BigFBear1 votes

I said we are rushing into tank meta. Most of these buffs/changes are pretty new. Let the people realize. They need time to adjust their champion pool, builds, playstyle etc.

chipndip11 votes

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I said we are rushing into tank meta. Most of these buffs/changes are pretty new. Let the people realize. They need time to adjust their champion pool, builds, playstyle etc.

People have been talking about the "impending tank meta" ever since I left the game for like 2 months or more at this point. It's not happening anytime soon.

IainG101 votes

Worth noting with the Aftershock change, that was to stop non-tanks like Lissandra from abusing it. It was designed with champions like Leona and Naut in mind; engage tanks who's purpose it to throw themselves in harm's way and fervently pray their team follows them.

Also, how the fuck has Yi manage to escape Low ELO?

Nhika1 votes

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Worth noting with the Aftershock change, that was to stop non-tanks like Lissandra from abusing it. It was designed with champions like Leona and Naut in mind; engage tanks who's purpose it to throw themselves in harm's way and fervently pray their team follows them.

Also, how the fuck has Yi manage to escape Low ELO?

Because matchmakings goofed and there are low elo players everywhere. Blame ranked roles...

HailFall3 votes

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Infernape16 votes

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Tanks need more nerfs if anything. I am still getting one shot by Darius and Garen when they are below my level

Darius and Garen't aren't tanks. They're fighters.

The thigh guy3 votes

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Tanks need more nerfs if anything. I am still getting one shot by Darius and Garen when they are below my level

Those are juggernauts. Their entire different beast. And yes. They are stupid by design.

Aseraan4 votes

THOSE TWO ARE NOT TANKS GODAMIT!!!!

5StackUltOneShot3 votes

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Tanks need more nerfs if anything. I am still getting one shot by Darius and Garen when they are below my level

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Darius is a semi tank at best. He has nothing that makes him tanky besides his 15% heal on his Q lmao.

Nhika1 votes

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Darius is a semi tank at best. He has nothing that makes him tanky besides his 15% heal on his Q lmao.

Cheese ghost flash champ that . . like the thread says gets popped instantly in teamfights (literally no tank skills)

Daddy Ants3 votes

"Bring back Tanks"

You living in the past?

There's been nothing but tank buffs all season.

Now Rageblade's getting nerfed along with Conqueror.

I'm already seeing 2+ tanks per team

macspam2 votes

My name is macscam and i endorse this message

SanKakU1 votes

No, none of these proposed solutions make sense. What would really solve your problem is introducing new AP + tank stats items. AD + tank stats items are pretty good right now. The 'all tank' items here that you want buffing are fine. It's the 'all tank' champions that need tuning or tweaking if you want them to buy those items. And anyway, something tells me you probably don't buy AP/AD as much as you should when playing tank.

Thefrostyviking1 votes

....OP i am not trying to be mean but you are largely incorrect for many things, like liandry was buffed, not nerfed, and the item changes would actually end up hurting tanks like hell.

item 3153 on its own isnt actually strong against tanks, the reason being that it does physical damage and the % damage is on current health.

item 3151 lost 5AP but it got 0,5% more max health damage, an effective buffs to help mages deal with tanks......and yes, its 1,5% more max health damage every 3 ticks, worth way more than 5 AP.

item 3075 Needs to have Grevious wounds as its the only defensive item with it, tanks need it to prevent being treated as health potions.

item 3742 Is pretty crappy because it doesnt really give high armor or health, just a bit of both ontop that passive that doesnt help you survive longer at all......most tanks do not get this.

item 3143 Is pretty much the ultimate counter to critbuilds, even before counting the reduction from your armor an attack that would have done 1000 damage already loses 200 damage.

The attackspeed reduction is also a "must buy" for any tank looking to deal with crit users, they lose attackspeed and damage per attack, glorious.

But you know the best part about that crit reduction? Its not affected by armor penetration, their crits will do 20% less damage no matter what they do, they could reduce your armor to 0 and still do 20% less.

And what buffitem 1039 ? Its pretty much equal with item 1041? Only difference is that you use one if you got AOE and the other if you rely on basic attacks mainly for your first clears.

And what buff jungle tanks actually? Rammus, Sejuani and Nunu are all really good right now......Amumu works as well.

Compared to like 20 other picks who are real terrible now they dont need help at all.

Jonesybones1 votes

Tanks are definiltye not struggling this season lol

Dingding1231 votes

I just got gigacucked in ranked by a Maokai and tanks also still see lots of pro play. Pretty sure they're fine. They just can't survive 5man burst anymore because literally everyone does damage now.

PlsBuffMyMain1 votes

Tanks are boring and uninteractive, no thank you, I'd rather not have a tank jungle meta.

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