No one wants to jungle.

Nhika··42 votes·16,188 views

You can main mid top adc, with secondary SUPPORT and still get thrown into jungle lmao

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jg díff victim36 votes

jungle feels so unsatisfying to play ever since the xp nerf. You can get every dragon, objective, but still be behind or at most even with lanes. Gutting JG xp to deal with 'better jungle wins' in the pre season was not the way to go. No one ever thought to themselves 'wow, this (insert early game jg) does too much damage in the late game, better nerf his XP'.

Now you have to gank a lot as a jungler if you want to win the game since powerfarming is not viable.

OgSc10 votes

This is hella true, I have to spam gank and steal cs from laners to even keep up with xp. If not, I can easily fall behind in levels.

H00KIE2 votes

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jungle feels so unsatisfying to play ever since the xp nerf. You can get every dragon, objective, but still be behind or at most even with lanes. Gutting JG xp to deal with 'better jungle wins' in the pre season was not the way to go. No one ever thought to themselves 'wow, this (insert early game jg) does too much damage in the late game, better nerf his XP'.

Now you have to gank a lot as a jungler if you want to win the game since powerfarming is not viable.

I noticed this too, and I thought it was just the fact I suck. No wonder nobody wants to jungle, it taking days to level up is ridiculous.

Moody P14 votes

Jungle is the strongest role in the game

Nhika8 votes

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Jungle is the strongest role in the game

Funny. The jungle nerfs was supposed to fix the whole problem of "better jungler wins". Yet we still see shitty junglers losing games for their team.

Ambitious Minnow2 votes

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Funny. The jungle nerfs was supposed to fix the whole problem of "better jungler wins". Yet we still see shitty junglers losing games for their team.

The loss of that 20% in this last patch was insanely overwhelming. I have been in games where i have more kills then entire enemy team at 10 minutes, and top laners are still two levels above me. I'm talking being at ten kills while enemy team is at 2 or less. Before you even mention cs, i'm one trick WW main, my early cs lead avg almost never falls below 400g. Often the average is as high as 1300g.

You make one mistake in that atmosphere now, and you're pretty much cooked. The enemy jg can invade you over and over, your teammates won't come help, ganking is close to impossible when you two levels down and nowhere to farm back up. It's the most insane thing i've seen in this game yet, and Riot don't even address it.

Edit: and as far as autofill goes? I'm on a different account at the moment, but could easily point out I haven't been autofilled in 400 - 500 games at least so far. I queue as jg, and get jg every time, cause no-one else wants it.

Edit2: For this season, Early Gold Advantage 506, Early CS Advantage 8.7, CS Per Minute 4.9. Comparitively, average for everyone else in my rank EGA: 77, ECSA: .9, CS/M: 4.5.

GripaAviara1 votes

It will never fix because of the role mechanic:

  • you can feed a lane as a jungler
  • the enemy jungler can snowball a lane even if he plays Sona jungle
Myrmiron3 votes

[{quoted}](name=Moody P,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=2roEWTRU,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-04-28T02:45:11.296+0000)

Jungle is the strongest role in the game

I'd say it's the 2nd weakest, top being the weakest.

GodlyBane2 votes

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I'd say it's the 2nd weakest, top being the weakest.

Mid and jg are the weakest rn. Top lane has a huge amount of impact rn and lane presence since tp is meta again, not to mention whenever a top laner goes 4/0 in their lane they usually manage to carry the rest of the game and win it

Meteora7079 votes

mid the weakest role lmao

Haze976 votes

Every single thing you mention is a lie and you lost credibility the moment you called midlane a 'weak' role.

GayFluffyUnicorn3 votes

Yes the 6 minute tp+jungle easily camping top the entire early game makes it have a huuuuge impact.

How much impact it has you can see with the first top ranked toplaner being rank 35. With 20 mids and adcs above them.

Mid is so weak guys.

Sir Saltarin3 votes

I dont think Midlaners have ever experienced what is to be weak or to have low agency on the game

The thigh guy1 votes

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I'd say it's the 2nd weakest, top being the weakest.

Top lane creates more of the op monsters in this game than any other role. :/ top is by no means “weak” it’s got probably the highest carry potential possible.

Quáx1 votes

I think he means it has the most impact on the team. It's a second support but to all lanes.

I think of jungle kinda like a plague

Goes into the lane, gets a kill, then spreads around the lanes getting more kills, getting stronger.

Ash Lockheart9 votes

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You can main mid top adc, with secondary SUPPORT and still get thrown into jungle lmao

Who ever gets jungle has to gank none stop. So its a crappy job. Most jungles miss the old days were they could take there time farming and ganking at the correct moments. Now they have to rush and gank. they can't really take there time like they use to. Jungles don't get the time to breath compared to the old days. Feel bad for them the most.

Haze974 votes

This is exactly why I retired to my tiny little island called top lane.

CytheGuy7 votes

To keep up in experience I have to leech a lane every time I gank, and unless I kill the enemy laner that means my laner starts falling behind.

It's a very stressful role right now, especially with the meta being high-burst assassins to get ahead by ganking and bruisers who get ahead by ganking, counter jungling and counter ganking the assassins. Unless it's a level 2 1v1 where the assassin will win unless you can kite perfectly.

I played one game of ADC (my off-role) in a premade 5 because everyone was on and my support main friend (who I used to lane with all the time) wanted me to lane with him. It was SO MUCH MORE RELAXED AND FUN than jungling. Only problem was I had to completely rely on my team to keep up against their opponents (thankfully they did).

Well Cause6 votes

Maybe because it's annoying to get flamed by everyone because they lose their lane solo and you didn't INSTANTLY teleport somehow to save them?

ModAcademy Kayn4 votes

Or better yet, having a bad game and being advised to try suicide by your ADC.

Thanks Luc, couldn't have lost that game without ya.

Glaricion4 votes

Vietnam loves jungle.

Tr4shB4NSYST3M4 votes

Gutted role :(, basically only truly relevant earlygame, weak midgame and completely dependent on your laner carries lategame.

Nhika6 votes

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Gutted role :(, basically only truly relevant earlygame, weak midgame and completely dependent on your laner carries lategame.

Might as well just bring back 2-1-2 meta lmao

ApexInTheCircle2 votes

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Might as well just bring back 2-1-2 meta lmao

Honestly wouldn't mind that, got to see some crazy as shit topside when adcs used to be taken mid.

Disulfiram2 votes

Not a bad idea actually... it could hard counter some ranged tops. It's the original reason why Top was taken by tanks and bruisers: they were the only ones that could 2v1, because they could farm under tower and survive potential dives. Some, like Cho'Gath, were/are even better for this, because on top of being tanky he has the CC to turn around dives and the AoE to quickly clear waves.

AR URF4 votes

I rather enjoy jungle, but my biggest turnoff is having to babysit bot because of demolish rune and because of how much damage two champions do to towers.

SuffocateMeDaddy4 votes

BullllllSHIT, I have been queing mid/jungle for quite a while in plat 3 + elo and guess where I have been autofilled every time? Fucking top lane. Top is least picked role by far.

Sir Saltarin3 votes

You can main mid top adc, with secondary SUPPORT and still get thrown into jungle lmao

I put first ADC and second Mid and I haven't been autofilled in months

So I cant relate

Nhika3 votes

BUFF JUNGLE ALREADY FUCK

DOCTOR D00M33 votes

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You can main mid top adc, with secondary SUPPORT and still get thrown into jungle lmao

Ive been qd top primary jungle secondary for like 8 games and have played top once. No one wants to jungle. You can get ahead early and have it mean nothing. Pathetic this company.

Irelia Bot2 votes

They should have just made jungle camps more deadly to hamper the level 2 ganks.

Always angry tbh1 votes

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They should have just made jungle camps more deadly to hamper the level 2 ganks.

More health, less damage to slow down clear but not make everyone die to camps*

Irelia Bot1 votes

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More health, less damage to slow down clear but not make everyone die to camps*

That could work as well.

III BAKURYU III 2 votes

I personally have no clue what keystone/Rune etc to jungle with?!?! Every rune is only viable vs Champions so it makes me think I just have to clown fiesta my lanes.
I may be reading such runes wrong or so but literally all say something about "Vs Champions" or something like that. Also, as a jungler you are at the mercy of your lanes not to feed as you fight for your life against jungle creatures, being down 1-2 levels as is before the feeding starts.

radetari8 votes

and then being flamed for not winning their lanes for them

III BAKURYU III 1 votes

Or when lets say(Top lane) has X enemy at 30 HP and they ping them like 20 times when you're on the other side of the map and they ( ?????????????????????????????????) you the whole time.

I just don't get why people can't just play safe and defensive while warding and wait for the jungler to gank for early kills.
Everyone feels like they need to be this Faker outplay machine but when THEY get outplayed it's the junglers fault.

Or when they ping (Dragon) for you to take when they get level 2 ganked because they can't ward.

AetherArising1 votes

Only fleet footwork works on camps, but you just take that on twitch and graves. Just take the runes that help you win ganks or fights depending on champ like usual (kayn and reksai take Conqueror usually, Vi, rammus, sejuani take aftershock, etc.)

III BAKURYU III 1 votes

I typically play tanky champions when I feel like I have to do everything in solo Q(Maokai Gragas and even non-tank champions but build them so, so I typically run grasp or Aftershock for fights but didn't know if there were actual jungle mastery for camps.

I don't like fleet footwork mainly because I can't kite.

Thank you -

Ayanami3rd2 votes

As a laner, I feel that jungle is just a completely weird role. Which camps do I do first? What about the scuttler? When to gank? And why does the enemy jungler so often know where I am?

I know that there are explanations for all of this, but seriously no one goes like "Oh, I got autofilled jungle! Let me just read these five tutorials first!". Smart people will now answer that you get the necessary knowledge over time. Yeah, but if I need to spam 100 horrible jungle games to even be usefull, I frankly just don't start with it at all. And when I am autofilled jungle, I just pick Sejuani, try not to feed, and fulfill my role as an underleveled CC bot.

AetherArising3 votes

Its frankly not because it’s complex - you take the big buffs and scuttles whenever you can and you take a small camp after your first big buff camp. After that everything’s free game.

The problem isnt complexity - its execution. You MUST farm consistantly well, you MUST succeed in ganks, and you MUST get objectives, because jg is going to always be starved for XP only a little less than support.

Rito needs to stop fucking around with reducing XP and making level 2 only meta, instead buff the camp’s health/damage and respawn timers so farming is viable and ganks are about picking a good time to assist your team best, not “im starved of resources so I’ll be taking kills or cs from the lanes to stop my slow decline off the face of the game”

5StackUltOneShot2 votes

To be fair once you get to Diamond-ish there are basically no Toplane mains

Edit: If someone fucking @'s me saying 'bUt Tf bLaDe' I will lose it

SSXXIII2 votes

Junglers still decides the game since gank junglers are stronger then ever before, i mean they should just remove the lvl 2 off 1 camp and nerf redbuff. actually they should buff blue since its pretty much worthless exept giving it to mid.

afmghost1 votes

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Nobody wants to jungle.

I don't blame them.

GripaAviara1 votes

I jungle, but my biggest issue with jungle, is if the enemy team wards and enemy jungler invades your jungle having a slight advantage and you team just sleeps as you get raped, it's almost game over for you as a jungler

Akali Prime1 votes

relase a new jungle champion. BOOM everyones a jungle main for a week lol

Nhika1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Akali Prime,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=2roEWTRU,comment-id=001c,timestamp=2019-04-29T02:54:37.448+0000)

relase a new jungle champion. BOOM everyones a jungle main for a week lol

Release new jungle champ Gets 3 buffs 3 patches in a row

SirPurrr1 votes

Jungle is kind of transitioning into a gold/xp starved role much like support. It's not that extreme but who wants to lack the resources to carry individually? Even our best late game rune (Dark Harvest) was ruined. You're at a disadvantage stacking it relative to laners and it's very bad unless you're super ahead... at which point you'd probably have won regardless of your rune. You depend so much more on teammates than almost every other role.

Moreover, it feels out of your control if your teammates refuse to listen to calls or pings about the enemy jg's location etc. Thus, it often feels like you get "cheated" when the enemy jungler wins. For instance, bot is max pinged 20 seconds before a gank (just by deduction from being a good jungler and knowing camp timers), and they ignore it then die. You counterjungling in that situation is punished despite being the best decision if your laners listen and react to information. Afterwards, they type about how you got outjungled when they basically inted to him. It just feels unfair. That's why jungle mains are probably more salty than in other roles.

AceAlex0311 votes

Maybe because their is such a potential gap of skill with junglers, like that hecarim the know exactly where you are at all times and invades at just the right time, every time getting a kill and taking all your jungle while also being all over the map that impossible to predict. That type of player is so daunting for new jungle players that they just say,"jungle is not for them". Also maybe when being stomped on when trying to learn, and than your team starts flaming you for not doing the right thing, even though you have basically no clue what your doing. This pushes away from potential jungle players from trying to learn.(It doesn't help that when they start playing the game, the first thing they play against doesn't even jungle, bots, and that jungle is probably the hardest thing for new players to learn.

sweetlikeacid1 votes

I noticed this! I thought I was having a tough time leveling up because I'm silver trash but now I feel better :)

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