i remember season 4 I could play Volibear top, jungle, and support

Big Lincoln·Mar 4, 2017·55 votes·2,949 views

now he's turned into only being a C-tier jungler

I guess Zilean got what he wanted

51 Comments

AmazoXMar 4, 201710 votes

I miss Kindred item 3070

ExalomaniacMar 4, 20173 votes

member Kindred adc

Big LincolnMar 4, 20179 votes

tfw forgotten champs item 3070

AmazoXMar 4, 201711 votes

What about Lissandra . High Mana Costs, Rough time compared to all the other mages, A passive only useful during laning phase. item 3070

Fiddlesticks He is supposed to excel in this Meta but yet struggles in the updated jungle. item 3070

DrMundo Poor guy has infinite counters and is a walking meat body. item 3070 His lore recently got updated and majority of people do not like it as much as the old lore..

MXXXXXLMar 4, 201710 votes

Aatrox He's so weak yet is so new and riot neve-oh wait.

Galio Poor dude has such outdated abilities and is never played, if only riot woul-oh wait.

Urgot He, how much he sucks, and his playrate are all memes, riot shou-oh wait.

Evelynn Looks like something from season 1/2, i wonder when riot wil-oh wait.

Warwick He literally hasn't changed AT ALL since alpha, when will he finally get a rewo-oh wait.

AmazoXMar 4, 201714 votes

Aatrox is getting some nice buffs next patch The new champion teased is 99% Galio's Rework Urgot is up next after Galio Evelynn is up for VGU Warwick is being played in Korean Challenger level.

However the champions I have mentioned, Riot Games have no plans for them at all.

MXXXXXLMar 4, 201712 votes

My original post was sarcasm, as to why i put "-oh wait" at the end.

But your post makes me think that this is double sarcasm, something you don't see very often, so i'm not sure if it is double sarcasm or not.

EDIT: just by looking at the upvotes of my first "oh wait" post makes me think people are taking it seriously.

FelvyneMar 4, 20171 votes

Eve is after Urgot if I'm not mistaken. Will take her the team that's working on Galio atm.

WestwardZephyrMar 5, 20171 votes

The new champion teased is 99% Galio's Rework (Hopefully I quoted that correctly lol) How has this been teased? I haven't seen anything, but I'm also not the most up-to-date on things I guess.

LordGeovanniMar 5, 20172 votes

if by buffs you mean lowering of numbers on every skill and passive now has to be completely full to to revive you then yes buffs

DaNinadMar 4, 20173 votes

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He's so weak yet is so new and riot neve-oh wait.

Poor dude has such outdated abilities and is never played, if only riot woul-oh wait.

He, how much he sucks, and his playrate are all memes, riot shou-oh wait.

Looks like something from season 1/2, i wonder when riot wil-oh wait.

He literally hasn't changed AT ALL since alpha, when will he finally get a rewo-oh wait.

who's that first champion, never seen him before

Big LincolnMar 4, 20171 votes

that's omen

xelakerMar 4, 20173 votes

{quoted}

who's that first champion, never seen him before

it was a minion skin from an old Halloween i think...

An Undead bratMar 4, 20171 votes

Lissandra passive useful? That's an oxymoron xD

5000000000000000Mar 4, 20174 votes

People don't like Mundo's new lore?

macromiteMar 4, 20174 votes

fiddles aint supposed to excel here. this meta is Pre-6 gank or you can't jungle.

NotCounterMar 5, 20171 votes

{quoted}

What about . High Mana Costs, Rough time compared to all the other mages, A passive only useful during laning phase.

Or

He is supposed to excel in this Meta but yet struggles in the updated jungle.

Poor guy has infinite counters and is a walking meat body. His lore recently got updated and majority of people do not like it as much as the old lore..

lissandra isn't really supposed to compete with other mages well, her kit is geared towards initiation and being anti-assassin

NichtHurzMar 5, 20171 votes

Liss is still quite okay. Falls behind other mages, but she can still be quite decent I feel. She's the mage I fall back to when I'm mid or we need some AP top.

Fiddle and Mundo are just really sad to watch. If you really want to try Fiddle you need to start wolves and then double pull blue + gromp. Otherwise you'll ´have fallen behind the enemy jungler already :/

TotalJerkMar 4, 20179 votes

You still can in bronze. Volibear ALWAYS gets fed in bronze.

THE RlVER KlNGMar 4, 20175 votes

I remember in S5 I could play Tahm top, jungle, and support

now he's turned into only being a C-tier support

I guess Riot got what they wanted item 3070 TahmKench

Big LincolnMar 4, 20171 votes

i'm doing pretty ok with him top, last couple games

I'm 1/3 right now but that's because these asshole teammates keep using all their mobility to keep me from saving them

(see my other thread for context)

Gregor GysiMar 4, 20177 votes

LCS-tier*

THE RlVER KlNGMar 4, 20174 votes

Niche pick is nothing but a devour bot

and you think him being pigeonholed into a one-trick pony is an okay tradeoff for a shity top and loss of jungle?

Gregor GysiMar 4, 20174 votes

"One-trick pony" is very misleading in this context - most champions are played in only one position. With that being said I am pretty sure that he is still amazing top in certain matchups (Riven for example can't do shit) - on top of being a common pick in professional play in every region. Seeing how he was originally intended to be a support T'K is in an amazing play, although not many people play him (which is to be expected seeing how not commonly good looking champions with non-flashy gameplay are very unpopular - see Galio who is a monster in soloQ).

THE RlVER KlNGMar 5, 20171 votes

He was originally intended to be a support AND top laner people are so thick-headed

Riven can beat a Tahm in the same way that she has no bad matchups if you are good at her because of how bullshit she is

Gregor GysiMar 5, 20171 votes

Sure, but they said that they focused on support in the later stages of development so if support is strong enough for LCS and toplane still performs decently (watch the winrate/games played, it's better than Riven across the board)..

That's just wrong. Yes, matchups change depending on the elo, but there are still very bad matchups for Riven. I don't know about Challenger, but I know several dia Riven players who are very frustrated with T'K.

foxplosionMar 4, 20174 votes

FEEL MY PAIN Malzahar

The EcdysiastMar 5, 20172 votes

Nidalee Try harder.

Succubús GFMar 6, 20172 votes

Taliyah Sorry, what?

The EcdysiastMar 6, 20171 votes

Yours doesn't work. There's never been a point where Taliyah was any good. Foxplosion's barely works because Malz was viable AD in the jungle a little while ago.

But there hasn't been a champion more versatile than Nidalee used to be who is also no longer relevant in any role.

Succubús GFMar 6, 20171 votes

Um yes it does, she got nerfed heavily because of how much of a lane bully she was. Upon release she was brokeeeeeeeeeeeeeeen

The EcdysiastMar 7, 20171 votes

The point isn't how strong they were in one lane. (And Taliyah wasn't broken on release, she was just NEW on release, so people didn't have practice against her)

OP was complaining that Voli used to be viable everywhere. Likewise, Nidalee used to be too. Taliyah has never been good anywhere, and only reasonably playable in mid.

EedatMar 4, 20172 votes

Voli was my first ever jungler.

Honestly he's fine in the Jungle but hes trash in Top lane

Big LincolnMar 4, 20171 votes

i predict voli winrate will go up when we see nerfs to the current fuckface junglers

but ya it's kind of sad how him and shyv havent been playable top for ages

The EcdysiastMar 6, 20171 votes

He's a jungler who requires the laners have some form of hard CC so he can actually reach them for the flip.

DstrabizmusMar 5, 20172 votes

Yeah, why is voli so bad in this meta, I mean in my eyes he's an indestructible wall with flaming spikes.

Papa AndreiMar 4, 20171 votes

So me and my friend made Volivear work in ranked botlane. Him and Singed botlane! W Target as singed, Voli jumps em, singed flips them again. And death ensues!!! :D (It actually worked due to just being able to nope outa lane if ganked!)

Sayonara ShabiMar 4, 20171 votes

and thank fucking god

AeszarckMar 4, 20171 votes

I still think you can play him top very well. He's a pretty big lane bully especially since you can get minion advantage easily by flipping people into the minion wave. I'm not a Volibear player though, so my experience is only against Volibear, not as Volibear. Volibear support is a very specialized thing. I still think you can play him support, but it's not very effective unless you're in the right situation. (I'm not sure what that "right" situation is. I'm guessing that a short ranged marksman to go with Volibear, an immobile enemy marksman, and an enemy tank support would be a good bot lane situation for Volibear support.) I don't think it has ever been "good," just all right.

The EcdysiastMar 6, 20171 votes

He can't be played top well at all. All he has are his flip and passive, really, and anyone can either out-damage, out-cc him, or both. Heck, with Ghost Darius becomes a much better Volibear.

SnowplosionMar 5, 20171 votes

Voli could probably use a small-scale rework. What class is that guy? Juggernaut?

Big LincolnMar 5, 20171 votes

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/7ZFjOwKh-low-scope-volibear-rework-idea

I made a thread about him getting reworked a couple days ago, something small enough to make him feel better to play

SnowplosionMar 5, 20171 votes

Yeah, it feels really bad to just run and then do pretty much nothing meaningful.

The EcdysiastMar 5, 20172 votes

The W should just have its static cooldown, remove the 3-hit requirement, and have the AS increase per rank. That'd be a massive QoL buff.

OrangesilkMar 5, 20171 votes

I mean, I remember Cho was a viable top, mid and jg... Now he's literally the worst jungler, a shitty midlaner, and a terrible toplaner. And he likely won't be touched after this last round of ~~nerfs~~ buffs.