Still relevant with every other ADC, but change it to four shot.
Why is it taking so long to tone down ADC damage? It's reaching the point where I can't even attempt to gank an ADC if they get a pre-6 double kill, because they're likely going to kill me or almost kill me before I even connect with them. They should not be doing this much damage at 10 minutes.
greekvandaL39 voteslel people complain about Draven when shit like Xayah does more dmg and is safer. Dont even make me bring up hyper ranged Kha zix on steroids tristana to the equation Draven is one of the weakest adcs.
T4underbolt44 votesI would rather play Vs xayah that has to set up feathers than that brain-dead ADCs like varus Tristana kog, vanye that outscale anyone with 1 or 1,5 items.
Darkin Hybrid23 votesI would rather play Vs xayah that has to set up feathers than that brain-dead ADCs like varus Tristana kog, vanye that outscale anyone with 1 or 1,5 items.
I miss the days when my champ wasn't considered braindead 
, and I miss the days when on-hit varus didn't exist.
Chromatic Eagle4 votesWhat builds would you rather exist?
Anu3isII10 votesI guess he likes the Poke build, where abilities are much more important than Auto Attacks. Many people associate point-and-click with braindead.
TehNACHO6 votesYeah. Wait-
...Meh, let's face it. Many people associate too strong/annoying with braindead.
Anu3isII2 votesI guess the best word is "unfair".
"Point-and-click burst" is one of the things on the list, alongside "seemingly undying characters who murder me in seconds". Everyone with their own perception I guess.
kargish5 votesThe only form of Varus I consider braindead is lethality Varus. That shit pokes you from outside of FoW and then goes on repeat.
Somebody Love Me5 votesBut at least he had to land skillshots, and his auto attacks were sub par. I liked skillshot Varus before lethality existed, but of course, Lethality has to ruin everything
saltran27 votesI have good news for you: Varus is only considered a braindead champ in the Boards circlejerk.
Blåbæret4 votesI would rather play Vs xayah that has to set up feathers than that brain-dead ADCs like varus Tristana kog, vanye that outscale anyone with 1 or 1,5 items.
Xayah is equally braindead as the other ones.
KennysDreamGirl8 votesYou must not play xayah then. Out of all the meta ADCs she probably takes the most skill to play effectively under draven ofcourse
Bun Bo Hue Ngon2 votesXayah is a brain dead champion and draven is weak rn
KennysDreamGirl7 votesbraindead champion means that you could pick said champion up for the very first time knowing nothing about, never played him/her and you could do well. you can not just first time xayah and just do well. she needs proper positioning of her abilities and her passive to do any meaningful damage and if you cant do that then you wont win fights at all, period.
Corrupt Bliss2 votesI mean that's the same thing with every champion. Proper positioning, effective use of skills, timing, etc. Each champion has so many nuances that I do not believe 'brain dead' champions exist.
Yes, there are some with substantially different skill caps, but when it comes down to it each champion is unique and difficult in their own prospects.
KennysDreamGirl3 votesi can agree with that
JohnnyNeverSins1 votesBuilt in zhonya.
KennysDreamGirl2 votesand? that's all youre going to add to this conversation? i can name stupid parts of peoples kits too
built in ga (passive)
built in shield (passive)
built in guinsoos (passive)
built in duscblade (passive) (bonus damage on next attack)
you see where im going with this? naming one part of a champions kit you dont like and not even talking about why that ability is bad (which xayahs ult isn't even that bad) is not an argument
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Daunt2 votesAt a certain point in game scaling champions can stop relying on their setups for more consistent damage output (ADCs for example). The only way you get bursted by only Xayah's W is if she's either extremely fed or she reached her 3-4 item power spike.
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Daunt1 votesUh yes? That's how scaling works. Assassins get outscaled. Although you're over exaggerating with the ADC doing more burst damage than the assassin stuff. Assassins still burst faster but they simply fall off cause it's harder to successfully assassinate someone late game. This doesn't mean assassins can't kill their targets, it means it becomes harder to do it since their targets scaled and have teammates alongside them.
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Daunt1 votes1st of all it's 1.5 seconds, 2nd of all LB has other tools to fill out that duration, 3rd of all her delays suck which is why she's getting a mini rework soon so it's a bad example. Of course you're exaggerating when you're most likely diving an ADC 1v2 or 1v3 late game and expecting to live while getting the kill. You're incredibly biased cause you fed an ADC and you're complaining cause you got punished for it.
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Daunt2 votesShe's getting the rework cause she's unsatisfying to play while still being problematic and unhealthy.
An assassin should never ever die 1v1 to an ADC
You're actually delusional as fuck lol. The ADC shouldn't die if the assassin fucked up or if the ADC outplayed him. The point of an assassin is to outplay and assassinate a high priority target in the enemy team. Preferably in a 1v1 scenario. That clip was already disproved. Stylish played it terribly and went into melee range of a fed ADC that he didn't even focus. He could've stayed alive if he went back to his W sooner.
Death by Glamour6 votesDraven would have atleast a 600g lead not including his passive amd depending on what draven bought he could fairly easily 3 shot a the botlane squishes
no to toxic28 votesEnemy got fed why he doing damage why my team punished for feeding? Riot unfair
karolmo9 votes[{quoted}](name=no to toxic,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=GRApguto,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-02-18T10:12:48.035+0000)
Enemy got fed why he doing damage why my team punished for feeding? Riot unfair
enemy adc 3 shotting my whole team at minute 10 is quite unfair, yeah
SoryInAdvance4 votesWould be if "3 shotting" were actually the case. But unless you're an underleved vayne, that's not happening.
saltran4 votesand at 10 min even a feed Vayne can't 3 shot, let them circlejerk that the most snowball adc in the game made snowball and it's unfair.
Sun Wu Ryuumoku9 votesDraven : 5 min in 2/0 10 min in 6/2
op as udyr died at the second minute against draven and die again at 7 against victor... and used an offensive build. So he rushed trifoce with no defense despite be underleveled. no armor until 25-30 min [zombie-brand-facepalm]
i totaly understand how he could be "3shotted" (no litteraly tho)
undesirable team26 voteshttps://imgur.com/a/YsXlD yes I do enjoy losing to champs then crying to the lol boards about it
Jobriq9 votes[{quoted}](name=R FLASH EMOTE XD,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=GRApguto,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2018-02-18T15:36:43.350+0000)
https://imgur.com/a/YsXlD yes I do enjoy losing to champs then crying to the lol boards about it
lmao Xerath was 24/4 Also that Darius build .-.
meowwow74 votesi was about to check opgg until i saw this lol but as a support i wonder how many times the thresh actually had to use that mikael's?
FOR JUSTICE15 votesin all fairness though, handing ANY snowball champ a free 3 kills is a bad idea. just adc's are the most circlejerked ones. there are also ones like Camille, katarina, veigar, nasus, and akali.
Somebody Love Me8 votesThe thing is...4 of those champs are melee and susceptible to CC more-so than a ranged champ. And one has cooldowns he has to wait for.
Plus those champs usually don't have a bunch of meatshields peeling for them while they nuke teams.
Nasus, imo, is the most ridiculous out of that group because he's so damn tanky. Camille can get cc'ed and popped, but she's so fucking mobile, but I'd take a fed Camille over Nasus any day.
JackMcSnipeyz12 votesIf you cant 3v2 an adc with 600 gold lead that's on you dont use the "lol adc 3 shot me" buzzword shit. I'd be happy for you to prove me wrong tho, with any video of an adc 3-4 shotting someone from full health with just a 2 kill lead.
Bârd10 votesWhat, you think you should have been able to tank him?
Look at your line up.
There are only two champions on your team that are even remotely tanky.
(you) only had 
for armor, and your only other HP item was a 
looks like he was going off the reccomended build from when the champion was released. 
were all of his armor, and he didn't have a single point of bonus HP.
Your "tanks" aren't building tanky enough, and everybody else is squishy.
If a fed 
couldn't shred through that team, that would mean he needs buffs.
Squishie8 votesI'm guessing you never played vs
who got a double kill in top during the early game, draven is heaven compared to her.
ISLAMICWARRIOR993 votesI'm guessing you never played vs
Pretty much any midlaner or toplaner will take a triple kill and just mash your team, adc's at least have to watch for 1 shots
NodirjonSattarov7 votesDraven hasn't really been touched in a long time and you're complaining about an EARLY GAME CHAMPION doing well in the EARLY game? Don't give Draven a triple kill, don't let Draven make use of his passive, and simply ride till late game. It's your fault for feeding the Draven
HaIlMonitor2 votesADC carries rarely have early game/mid game/late game champs. They have whoever got the most fed is the all game champ. Some scale better, but really if draven is an item up does it matter before the game ends at 30 that kog out scales him?
Daunt4 votesAnother classic Yenn post. Why wouldn't ANY champion snowball after getting 3 kills in lane? You fucked up, you get punished. Also, you went 3/13 why the fuck are you even posting this on the boards?
Maligaro Spike2 votesAT LEAST draven is oneshotting your team from 550 range and no mobility, tristana "twoshots" your team from the other side of the map and can escape easily
koshkyra2 votesTwoshot if he runs statikk IE like everyone else
Toppien2 votesStill relevant with every other ADC, but change it to four shot.
Why is it taking so long to tone down ADC damage? It's reaching the point where I can't even attempt to gank an ADC if they get a pre-6 double kill, because they're likely going to kill me or almost kill me before I even connect with them. They should not be doing this much damage at 10 minutes.
http://i.imgur.com/lUAt6Xw.jpg
did someone said 4?!!! 
PopcornBunni2 votesCould be worse, could be %health true damage that also literally three shots tanks and one shots everyone else
xelaker2 votes3 shot? what are you a team of tanks?
