Those champions are "fighters"

Lithium Rosa·Feb 29, 2016·3 votes·936 views

even fuking

While Jarvan is tagged as Tank WTF??? Plz tell me how to make Jarvan tanker than them and still being effective? I really wonder...

14 Comments

Dominick DestineFeb 29, 20163 votes

Jarvan has true initiation, at long range, reliable.

Those you mentioned do not.

Lithium RosaFeb 29, 20161 votes

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Jarvan has true initiation, at long range, reliable.

Those you mentioned do not.

Did you just call a 10 second cd & highly missable combo "reliable"?

Dominick DestineFeb 29, 20161 votes

AoE stun.

AoE cage.

And "highly missable"? ahahahahaha.

RalanrFeb 29, 20161 votes

With or without CDR?

Meep ManFeb 29, 20161 votes

This just in, anything that isn't targeted is unreliable. J4 is very hard to miss as well.

EndlessSorcererFeb 29, 20163 votes

Jarvan is listed as both a tank and a fighter.

He can be considered a tank since his kit provides a lot of utility for his team:

Attack Speed Aura
AoE Slow
Percentage Armor Reduction
Low CD Knockup
Ultimate traps enemy champions

Lithium RosaFeb 29, 20161 votes

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Jarvan is listed as both a tank and a fighter.

We are talking about primary role tho. Jarvan's primary role is Tank while Mundo's primary is fighter...

He can be considered a tank since his kit provides a lot of utility for his team:

Attack Speed Aura

AoE Slow

Percentage Armor Reduction *~~ Low~~ High CD Knockup

Ultimate traps enemy champions

Lithium RosaFeb 29, 20161 votes

{quoted}

Jarvan is listed as both a tank and a fighter.

He can be considered a tank since his kit provides a lot of utility for his team:

Attack Speed Aura

AoE Slow

Percentage Armor Reduction

Low CD Knockup

Ultimate traps enemy champions

Btw they looks nice, but as a Jarvan player I can tell you he is 1/10 useful as a mundo when he builds full tank

Meep ManFeb 29, 20162 votes

The big thing about Tanks isn't being hard to kill, it's being disruptive through crowd control. Jarvan is much more disruptive than these Fighters. Multi-Target Knockup and Impassable Terrain Creation is very disruptive compared to Nasus' slow and Garen's silence.

MLDzXnRRRFeb 29, 20161 votes

J4 had free armor steroid. Now he is more like initating fighter.

DreadlocksFeb 29, 20161 votes

Jarvan is an assassin idk why they say fighter/tank ;)

AttackOnTeemosFeb 29, 20161 votes

Btw Mundo isn't a fighter.. Mundo is Mundo

67chromeFeb 29, 20161 votes

Plz tell me how to make Jarvan tanker than them and still being effective? I really wonder...

The difference between fighter and tank isn't the amount of tankyness. It's what they do while being tanky.

Tanks are tanky CC. Fighters are tanky DPS.

In both cases - there itemization paths and abilities generally result in the same amount of tankyness. Fighters just use their tankyness to survive long enough to deal damage, and fighters generally want to be the 2nd man in a fight rather than the first, fallowing an initiation rather than being the initiator. Tanks generally want to initiate a fight and lock down a priority target, and occasionally counter-initiate and peel for allies.

A key difference you'll notice between J4 and the other champions you mentioned is that J4 is quite good at the whole initiation/counter-initiation/lock-down/peel aspects, while the other champions you mentioned are not. J4 also doesn't give up that much damage compared to a lot of those juggernaut fighters. His bases and dunks are still pretty brutal despite his massive utility.