TK top needs to be hotfixed

Anime Fizz·Jun 9, 2019·45 votes·13,408 views

"just dont play the game against him bro"

"just never pick a melee champion while TK is up bro"

Yep, that all is very healthy for the game lol.

50 Comments

BrightWîngsJun 9, 20197 votes

Like im fine with annoying lanes they are just bound to be in the game but TahmKench hardly seem fair or even beatable at times

Rotala macrandraJun 9, 20197 votes

TK top has been an issue since at least last season. It's only now that he's getting more lane play instead of support play so more ppl realize just how busted his kit is. He can literally 1v3, absorbing all spell rotations, and still kill everyone. Maybe his passive needs to be nerfed so that after one champ is devoured, it goes on a longer CD (like 40% CD refund instead of 50% as it currently is) so he can't devour another one so soon afterward.

ŠρìΚσJun 10, 20191 votes

the problem is not his devour , the problem is his dammage + that bull sht shield he get making it for him possble ro dive and to tank a gank. what they should nerf is his shiels , and his slow spam

DeleteSuppRoleJun 9, 20195 votes

what the fuck is TK ?

ChilleeJun 9, 201913 votes

He intends to wipe out half of your LP with just a snap.

"Tell me his name again"

TahmKench

Velzard of KozJun 9, 20194 votes

Tornado Kevin

Shrek LuigiJun 9, 20195 votes

happy windman's arch nemesis Yasuo

USA IS SUPERIORJun 10, 20191 votes

Tahm Kench ! :)

NhikaJun 9, 20194 votes

Why not abuse Aatrox?

RagnaveilJun 9, 20196 votes

Tahm beats Aatrox....

Tin ObliteratesJun 9, 20191 votes

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Tahm beats Aatrox....

lol right

RagnaveilJun 9, 20194 votes

His Q cd and stun vs my 3 part that he can pretty much dodge if he's smart and its high cd. Which wins you might ask.

Anime FizzJun 9, 20196 votes

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Why not abuse Aatrox?

Two wrongs dont make 1 right.

CodenameCupcakeJun 9, 20196 votes

Aatrox also needs a nerf to be fair, toplane is so cancer man

RagnaveilJun 9, 20192 votes

The heal amp is the only thing that needed to be changed besides upping his passive cd. You nerf him any farther and he becomes trash.

FioraWillCarryJun 9, 20194 votes

For once a balance complaint I actually agree with. This is the most cancer bullshit since Viktor top.

WastedHookerJun 9, 20193 votes

I've played him 3 games top now with TK and hes utterly dominating. I don't play high level games but the kinds of ganks that kill top laners would in fact kill both the jungler and the other top laner instead of you.

You can counter him or just ignore him but his harass and kill threat draw so much aggro that he ends up creating an insane amount of space on the map and in team fights. Plus hes still technically a support with abilities that provide utility.

Also Killing him doesn't slow him down if he brings teleport and items are just gravy for him. Could solo anyone with one defensive item finished.

Disgusting and I DODGE every game I see him in (I don't play ranked, not with TK like he is).

DepressedTomokoJun 9, 20192 votes

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I've played him 3 games top now with TK and hes utterly dominating. I don't play high level games but the kinds of ganks that kill top laners would in fact kill both the jungler and the other top laner instead of you.

You can counter him or just ignore him but his harass and kill threat draw so much aggro that he ends up creating an insane amount of space on the map and in team fights. Plus hes still technically a support with abilities that provide utility.

Also Killing him doesn't slow him down if he brings teleport and items are just gravy for him. Could solo anyone with one defensive item finished.

Disgusting and I DODGE every game I see him in (I don't play ranked, not with TK like he is).

Ranked has bans by the way.

Trash MammaIJun 9, 20193 votes

I don't know why everyone thinks he's OP. All of his damage comes from his passive and grasp. He just works too well with it and the same goes for someone like sion or mundo both of which do considerable amounts of damage because they work so well with it. Hell, cho'gath can half hp someone at level 1 with a single auto using his E with a grasp proc and nobody is talking about him lol

TheSingularityJun 9, 20192 votes

You can effectively run away from all of the above, 3 procs and you're goin into tahms belly for another chunk od dmg

BultzJun 9, 20193 votes

I love how I said TK needed to gutted weeks ago and everyone tried to shut me down, now everyone’s on the bandwagon lol.

Crescent DuskJun 10, 20193 votes

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"just dont play the game against him bro"

"just never pick a melee champion while TK is up bro"

Yep, that all is very healthy for the game lol.

Stop being an idiot. Build early MR to counter his early strong Q poke. That's virtually all his threat to you. If you stay behind minions, he can't poke you with it and loses a ton of his damage.

Make him miss his Q, go in for a short trade and get out.

He gets massively outscaled by most other top laners once you build some resistances.

Darius is meta and craps on him on his usual aftershock build. Garen is also good onto TK since you can QE poke and use your W on his Q to nullify the slow and peel him off you.

Illaoi dumpsters Tahm Kench.

Renekton also trivially gets short trades on him and heals most of his poke up. Won't even mention Irelia or Fiora, let alone Jax. All with mobility and ways to mitigate his all in attempts while winning short trades.

It's like people who cry about feeding the Darius when they get into extended autoattack trades with him and he runs them down at lv2 with his passive.

Don't be stupid and understand how the champion engages.

RtClickJun 10, 20192 votes

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Stop being an idiot. Build early MR to counter his early strong Q poke. That's virtually all his threat to you. If you stay behind minions, he can't poke you with it and loses a ton of his damage.

Make him miss his Q, go in for a short trade and get out.

He gets massively outscaled by most other top laners once you build some resistances.

Darius is meta and craps on him on his usual aftershock build. Garen is also good onto TK since you can QE poke and use your W on his Q to nullify the slow and peel him off you.

Illaoi dumpsters Tahm Kench.

Renekton also trivially gets short trades on him and heals most of his poke up. Won't even mention Irelia or Fiora, let alone Jax. All with mobility and ways to mitigate his all in attempts while winning short trades.

It's like people who cry about feeding the Darius when they get into extended autoattack trades with him and he runs them down at lv2 with his passive.

Don't be stupid and understand how the champion engages.

I love how you say, "don't be an idiot", and then proceed to spew a bunch of idiotic rubbish. Literally every champion you mentioned, Fiora Darius Irelia Renekton Garen , all have below 50% win rate against TahmKench . If you want some credibility, why not mention 's actual difficult matchups? Yorick ? Singed ? Kled ?

Crescent DuskJun 10, 20191 votes

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I love how you say, "don't be an idiot", and then proceed to spew a bunch of idiotic rubbish. Literally every champion you mentioned, , all have below 50% win rate against . If you want some credibility, why not mention 's actual difficult matchups? ? ? ?

Because Riven has a lower WR against Garen, yet there's not a time riste (rank 1 Garen) has ever consistently beat Adrian Riven or Revenge (top Rivens) on Riven. By that accound Yuumi would still need buffs given WR fixation despite the fact she's pick/ban material as per pro commentary.

WR arguments have to take the cake on "idiotic rubbish" given people's penchant for not understanding the context of data.

ANearMissJun 9, 20192 votes

TK Tonkey Kong, he's the leader of the top and he'll whop. On yer ass. TK Tonkey Kong is here.

HopeStartsWithUJun 9, 20192 votes

Pyke and maybe Sylas work fine against him. Aatrox CAN do well but it's harder than it looks like. Until they fix him you kinda have to ban him even tho there is more aids on top than TK actually is (trynda, irelia, riv)

Not even his damage is the problem, it's just the insane amount of CC the guy has now. There is no escape against him, not even with Riven lol

sutora3Jun 9, 20192 votes

your faulth for not dodging

DartExplosion10Jun 9, 20192 votes

whole champ just needs to be scrapped and reworked.

ExplodingFist66Jun 9, 20192 votes

tahm gets shit on by aatrox lol

MuffledGarbageJun 10, 20192 votes

tons of champs that are broken in toplane need to be nerfed so that melee champs can actually stand a chance to exist without having 2000 dashes

Original SinJun 10, 20192 votes

solo lane pyke as well. If they dont intend for it to happen they need to fkn hot fix it. Shits being abused in ranked and they wait 2 fkn weeks to do anything to nerf.

ZenotraxiumJun 10, 20192 votes

Someone posted this in a previous thread

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Tahm Kench top is pretty much a skill check. If your are an adaptable player you can win. If not then I'm sure he's your worst nightmare.

People who are used to just getting to go in and win trades or freely all-in any time the enemy laner approaches will get stomped. It's what TK does. People who know how to farm it out and play safe will crush him. He is garbage at taking towers and if he doesn't get to snowball he quickly becomes useless.

He's only "broken" if all you do is play hard all-in champions and expect to just beat everything. Which makes him quite good in the current meta of stick to them till they die toplaners.

I pretty much never lose lane to TK top. Pick a tank. Pick Cho'Gath because he's amazing and has no problems punting Tahm across the map early. Play a champion who can use BoTRK or Liandries Torment. Or pick somebody with good poke. Or somebody whose trades are short enough that TK doesn't get to threestack them and slowly whittle him down. Or somebody who can farm it out and become more useful than him in teamfights (pretty much every champ is more useful than Tahm in teamfights).

You can't expect the exact same strat to work against every champion.

And it's very true.

If you play "kinda tanky but high damage" champions whose kits relegate them into either feast-or-famine in lane phase like Darius Jax and Irelia , and all you do vs TahmKench is go in over and over again trying to get off a complete skill rotation every chance you get thinking "I auto-win this trade", Tahm is going to stomp you and you are going to lose lane.

Realize that as certain champions you just don't have an early advantage against THIS specific champion, and adapt your playstyle. Instead of running it down top; poke then back off, only initiate when he uses Q to last hit or W to wave clear, wait for ganks because pre-6 Tahm has 0 escapes and dies almost every time he gets ganked past river, and generally play smart, and you will win easy. He's not a champion with hard comeback potential either, so once you get ahead he can do very little against you.

If you can't adapt your playstyle, then widen your champion pool; a large number of tanks completely obliterate Tahm Kench both early and late game Maokai Malphite Chogath Sion and allow you to use more of an "all-in all the time" playstyle against him.

He's really not that bad. Just realize if all you do is pick slightly tanky damage dealers into him and then go full-aggro all lane phase, you're gonna have a bad time.

Crescent DuskJun 10, 20191 votes

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Someone posted this in a previous thread

And it's very true.

If you play "kinda tanky but high damage" champions whose kits relegate them into either feast-or-famine in lane phase like and , and all you do vs is go in over and over again trying to get off a complete skill rotation every chance you get thinking "I auto-win this trade", Tahm is going to stomp you and you are going to lose lane.

Realize that as certain champions you just don't have an early advantage against THIS specific champion, and adapt your playstyle. Instead of running it down top; poke then back off, only initiate when he uses Q to last hit or W to wave clear, wait for ganks because pre-6 Tahm has 0 escapes and dies almost every time he gets ganked past river, and generally play smart, and you will win easy. He's not a champion with hard comeback potential either, so once you get ahead he can do very little against you.

If you can't adapt your playstyle, then widen your champion pool; a large number of tanks completely obliterate Tahm Kench both early and late game and allow you to use more of an "all-in all the time" playstyle against him.

He's really not that bad. Just realize if all you do is pick slightly tanky damage dealers into him and then go full-aggro all lane phase, you're gonna have a bad time.

Even Darius/Irelia/Jax have plenty of tools to win against TK. Darius easily wins trade if you run aftershock and only ever engage when your apprehend is up so when he Q's into you and gets in melee range, you CC him into a W with apprehend and back out with a guaranteed Q hit. This should win you short trades every single time. Every single apprehend guarantees a blade Q, pops your aftershock as you're backing out, and if you run bone plating that trade should go heavily in your favor. Whittle him only when he wastes his Q to engage you or farm and learn to stay away till apprehend is back up. By lv6 he should be in range of dying to an all-in with your ult.

Irelia has many ways to disengage from him, I don't understand how people struggle with him, and she heals up just as well, plus she massively outscales him and has easy last hit farm with her Q.

Jax literally has his E to deal with his all ins, stun, get a couple of autos in and jump out, rinse and repeat till finishing off.

In fact, most of what I see in complaints are by the same idiots who feed Darius, except Darius is much harder to disengage from than Tahm Kench and he bursts significantly harder past 6 on top of having much better 1v2 potential due to his scaling heal.

Every single time, you get these idiots trying to all in Darius at full health and coming to cry on the forums about dying to his passive instead of understanding that you have to poke him a couple of good times before finishing him off, and to fight him every time he misses a Q poke on you.

People don't want to adapt. It's as basic as playing against Irelia and understanding that you don't want to play near low health minions and that your win condition is dodging her E and punishing her during her cd on it.

I find champs like Aatrox and even current aftershock Darius (which is sleeper OP) and even braindead right click win champs like Jax way more problematic than Tahm Kench.

People who want TK nerfed are the same people who returned Yorick into irrelevance. Yorick was already awful outside laning phase and then people went and got him nerfed so he can't even be a proper split pusher because the likes of Jax and Irelia can run him out of lane from the getgo while being infinitely more useful everywhere.

XavanicJun 9, 20191 votes

i don't get it, what happened that he's suddenly so good?

Z3SleeperJun 9, 201911 votes

Many, many buffs specifically to solo laning that were also a gutting to support Tahm.

Tahminatrix Jun 9, 201914 votes

They powercreeped his q slow and cooldown while nerfing his ally and enemy W.

Now his q is weaker than normal up until he gets it maxed due to the 4 second cooldown. (it used to be 6 seconds at all ranks, then it was buffed to 5, then they made it 8 at rank 1 and 4 at max rank)

njrk97Jun 10, 20193 votes

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They powercreeped his q slow and cooldown while nerfing his ally and enemy W.

Now his q is weaker than normal up until he gets it maxed due to the 4 second cooldown. (it used to be 6 seconds at all ranks, then it was buffed to 5, then they made it 8 at rank 1 and 4 at max rank)

Honestly between this and Ornn its a perfectly example of the problems and obsession Riot seems to have with solving every issue with more creeped up damage. He is a anti play maker that can be frustrating, why in gods name is the first thing they go to gutting utility and adding damage.Im so god damm tired of Top lane being the dumping ground and centre piece for all of Riots bad decisions, you already have to hypothetically ban 5 or so actual top laners to not be completely shut down with a weaker bruiser, then ontop of that there is like 20 other lane picks that can be used in top for the same effect, now we are adding Tahm to that list. It all comes back to damage, more and more damage, everything has to do damage, everything needs to nuke,one shot or cleave your health bar.

LordGeovanniJun 11, 20191 votes

TK was rarely played (with any expectiation to do anything other than eat ally adc). Now people are learning to play him. The people learning to play him are learning to play him faster than the people learning to play against him. The people playing against him dont want to learn to pla against him they just want to Hrr Drr hes a support so how could he possibly do anything. Still Praying they unnerf his max hp as magic damage and put it back on his ult. Most of TK. being overbearing top lane is the brand new item 3091 . Which people also dont know how to play against and Magic Resist is horrible so they just loaded a bunch more magic damage while making Magic resist worse.

PS you shouldnt have to insta buy item 3194 versus any type of magic damage there should be other good magic resist options and for heavy repetitive damage.

GoldsmithSmartyJun 9, 20191 votes

Thank you, I didn't think there are people who think the same. I can only beat him with my man Urgot, but people who play Tahm just ban him(( Kench has a lot of damage and cc, and also he is very tanky. Even if you picked a ranged champ, he can slow you with his Q. It has insane range and a very potent slow.

iTaLenTZJun 9, 20191 votes

Again Discoheat was ahead of his time https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYCwhOGcsIk

AMADEUSdotEXEJun 10, 20191 votes

Pick Cassiopeia go item 3116 item 3048 . It isn't perfect but you're extremely hard for him to kill if you land your Qs. Just don't expect to kill him lest he overcommit or dive.

YaskamasandwichJun 10, 20191 votes

Usually aim to at least prolong the game if possible. It is very hard yes, however he does drop like a sack of very heavy bricks. He can't really do anything in team fights other than eating his carry, which can back fire since his team damage drops depending on the situation. He gets kited super easily, and his ult does nothing for team fights.

I know that is a bad solution, but found it as the best working tactic. Especially with him being a super punishing lane bully like a Juggernaut Patheon.

IonshatterJun 10, 20191 votes

Tahm can remove almost anyone in the game late game. His Q gets to a 2 second cooldown and stuns for 1.5 seconds. I once watched a kindred be literally CC locked out of her 5 second ult, because one dipshit pressed Q on cooldown. Tahm is a MASSIVE threat late game, at this point even higher than a fed Chogath, because he STARTS THE GAME BETTER THAN YOU.

ŠρìΚσJun 10, 20191 votes

yes as an only toplane player i know the feeling bro ; imagine yesterday i was hard flamed by my team while i was playing nasus vs tahm kench cause i was not farming ( not even feeding ) , i tried to explain to them that not farming and let them carry me was my only option but breeeeh people are just stupid , and riot is worst letting that champ even exists. and not only mele , even ranged champs loose to that sht all it takes is one Q if he hit you with one Q you are dead if you play a squishie vs him

Zeppelins circusJun 10, 20191 votes

The argument of players saying TK is not overpowered: "BuT HeIMerDinGeR ExISts!!!"

ZoeasyJun 10, 20191 votes

Tahm has big boy numbers when it comes to damage, meanwhile being able to sustain quite a beating thanks to his E. Makes you wonder whether Riot is actually playing the same game as us

Original SinJun 10, 20193 votes

They aren't. Their whole balance team is a bunch of casual silvers.

Smai0Jun 10, 20191 votes

people cry cause they can't go unga bunga bruisers and go all in ALL THE TIME

God top laner tears are so good. [sg-jinx]

SilentBomberJun 11, 20191 votes

Well,now there is a reason for his master Chef skin.BECAUSE A TRUE CHEF EATS(kills) EVERYTHING!

VelasanJun 11, 20191 votes

I haven't seen that many TK top, however, in the few games that I have these two champs were the ones that beat him:

Olaf Shen .

Olaf can R to escape Tahm's swallow, and Shen W prevents Tahm from stacking his passive. Shen also has the nice bonus of being able to R allies Tahm is trying to swallow to save them as well, plus he can dash out when he doesn't want to fight, and his Q does percentage health damage on a low cool down.

Top lane is probably crazy right now for same reasons that support is so off. There's not many limits on who can go top (if any). It has damage? Smack ignite on it and go top and see if you can get fed. You could always play ADC's and mages top, it's just less punishable than it was before.