Does Blade of the Ruined King have any sort of counter?
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Shroom Junkie9 votesArmor. What more do you want? You keep downvoting anyone who says armor lol.
Xonra4 votesArmor. What more do you want? You keep downvoting anyone who says armor lol.
Because that is a very short-sighted response. The person isn't buying 6 
nor is the person on the other end building 6 armor items.
is basically there to counter health, so you say build armor. Okay 
would logically be the next purchase, pretty obviously. Then you...what build more armor? Then they likely build 
, 
or 
etc.
Just building armor and calling it a day is looking at it in a vacuum, and the game isn't played in a vacuum. The fact is, if you are only looking at armor to counter it, then you are ignoring the fact that there are direct counters to armor as well.
You guys are also completely ignoring the fact that the item isn't just a "do % damage" item, it also has lifesteal and attack speed.
Shroom Junkie4 votesBecause that is a very short-sighted response. The person isn't buying 6
Just building armor and calling it a day is looking at it in a vacuum, and the game isn't played in a vacuum. The fact is, if you are only looking at armor to counter it, then you are ignoring the fact that there are direct counters to armor as well.
You guys are also completely ignoring the fact that the item isn't just a "do % damage" item, it also has lifesteal and attack speed.
Not really. You build armor. They build Last Whisper. Same with Magic Resist, and its not like its 100% armor pen., its only 35%. So you build a Randuin's Omen and instead of 60 armor you get 39 armor.
What you're complaining about here isn't BotRK, its Last Whisper and armor pen. in general. Saying BotRK is OP because you can build armor but the enemy can build armor pen. and attack speed is like saying Mundo is OP because he has %currenthealth damage on his Q and can build CDR and Void Staff.
Xonra2 votesNot really. You build armor. They build Last Whisper. Same with Magic Resist, and its not like its 100% armor pen., its only 35%. So you build a Randuin's Omen and instead of 60 armor you get 39 armor.
What you're complaining about here isn't BotRK, its Last Whisper and armor pen. in general. Saying BotRK is OP because you can build armor but the enemy can build armor pen. and attack speed is like saying Mundo is OP because he has %currenthealth damage on his Q and can build CDR and Void Staff.
I'm not complaining about anything at all, but that says a lot about your mindset to think that. I'm stating a fact, and you assume I'm complaining, when I've not complained, nor was I the one that started the thread.
Also never said was OP. You sure are assuming a lot.
Shroom Junkie2 votesI'm not complaining about anything at all, but that says a lot about your mindset to think that. I'm stating a fact, and you assume I'm complaining, when I've not complained, nor was I the one that started the thread.
Also never said
Well, it seems as if you're defending the OP's point about the item having no counter. And no counter is always considered OP... because it is. If there's no counter its OP, no what's if's or but's about it. So unless you aren't agreeing with the OP, then why are you disagreeing with me?
Xonra1 votesWell, it seems as if you're defending the OP's point about the item having no counter. And no counter is always considered OP... because it is. If there's no counter its OP, no what's if's or but's about it. So unless you aren't agreeing with the OP, then why are you disagreeing with me?
No what I was doing was trying to make a point that people only want to look at the counter in one area of one item. But it just went way over the heads of a few and got some panties in a bunch for some reason.
Shroom Junkie1 votesNo what I was doing was trying to make a point that people only want to look at the counter in one area of one item. But it just went way over the heads of a few and got some panties in a bunch for some reason.
Well, there only needs to be one counter. True damage has health, %maxhealth, %currenthealth, and %bonushealth have armor/magic resist, and then you can counter armor with armor pen., counter magic resist with magic pen., counter health with %health like BotRK, and so on.
The Sword Saint2 votesYou're being silly. Other champions who are not adc's are going to buy botrk. Mostly top laners and junglers, though there are outliers like zed.
Top laners and jungler's who buy botrk aren't likely to be buying armor pen items, and if they are it's almost certaintly going to be black cleaver and nothing else.
In the case of someone who buys botrk and no armor pen then yes, armor is going to counterbuild botrk quite nicely.
It's only in the case of adc's, and vayne specifically, where botrk is going to get commonly bought along with last whisper and ghostblade, etc.
It's an arms race, you buy botrk and I buy armor, you buy lw, and I buy health. You but crit and I buy randuins. Then we both get blown up by a mage. It's an arms race, tanky people tend to build for the enemy team not just one person, so if one person builds all the way glass cannon and stacks penetration then ofc they are going to be able to hurt the tanky guy, that's only reasonable.
Xonra1 votes[{quoted}](name=The Sword Saint,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=GJyiEIlx,comment-id=000700000001,timestamp=2015-09-03T00:52:08.784+0000)
You're being silly. Other champions who are not adc's are going to buy botrk. Mostly top laners and junglers, though there are outliers like zed.
Top laners and jungler's who buy botrk aren't likely to be buying armor pen items, and if they are it's almost certaintly going to be black cleaver and nothing else.
In the case of someone who buys botrk and no armor pen then yes, armor is going to counterbuild botrk quite nicely.
It's only in the case of adc's, and vayne specifically, where botrk is going to get commonly bought along with last whisper and ghostblade, etc.
It's an arms race, you buy botrk and I buy armor, you buy lw, and I buy health. You but crit and I buy randuins. Then we both get blown up by a mage. It's an arms race, tanky people tend to build for the enemy team not just one person, so if one person builds all the way glass cannon and stacks penetration then ofc they are going to be able to hurt the tanky guy, that's only reasonable.
You are right, no one but adcs are going to buy
Oh, except for to laners
Oh yeah and some junglers
And of course some mid laners.
but...no one but adcs! People seem so in a hurry to want to argue they don't think before talking and just contradict themselves so I don't have to.
The Sword Saint2 votesCan you read at all? Go back and look the very first sentence again. Notice how the very first thing I say is that people who are NOT adcs WILL be buying botrk. That's the entire post as a matter of fact.
You're not as clever as you think you are.
You know what, forget it. You're not worth my time.
LaceUp232 votesYou clearly didn't think about this, did you? In that rational, there isn't a counter to anything. Let's see it in action, shall we?
"OMG DEATHCAP TOO OP HAS NO COUNTER!!" "oh, well obviously spirit visage" "LOLOLNUUUB NOOOO THAT'S NOT A COUNTER BECAUSE YOU CAN JUST BUY VOIDSTAFFFFF LOLOLZZZZ"
Xonra1 votesYou clearly didn't think about this, did you? In that rational, there isn't a counter to anything. Let's see it in action, shall we?
"OMG DEATHCAP TOO OP HAS NO COUNTER!!" "oh, well obviously spirit visage" "LOLOLNUUUB NOOOO THAT'S NOT A COUNTER BECAUSE YOU CAN JUST BUY VOIDSTAFFFFF LOLOLZZZZ"
Was kind of the point lol But it just went so far over you guys heads that I'm almost starting to feel bad.
The whole thread was meant as "nothing counters blade" then someone said "yeah well x counters that so...yeah" so I said "and x counters y" and suddenly everyone got their panties in a bunch lmao
Akali is SO HOT2 votesThat's like saying Jax doesn't counter Master Yi because you can counter Jax with Renekton
Xonra2 votes[{quoted}](name=Akali is SO HOT,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=GJyiEIlx,comment-id=000700000003,timestamp=2015-09-03T04:15:45.416+0000)
That's like saying Jax doesn't counter Master Yi because you can counter Jax with Renekton
No it isn't.
Akali is SO HOT3 votesyes it is lol
53436278DEL15 votesYou can downvote this post all you want answer won't change. Health and armor counters 
Botrk is pshyical damage. if you want to make a ranting post and say "you can just buy armor pen " then say that but the question asked if there is a counter to blade of the ruined king not whats the counter to the counter.
Sasogwa4 votesAnd god created armor. But then he looked back at it and said...
Oh fuck it, let's nerf it ! And also I'll create 
and 
cause fuck tanks.
Kat Head3 votes sorta, but nothing really counters it.
IcyPepper3 votesThe item itself? Armor for the passive and AD, and there's a few niche items to slow attack speed down. If it's on an adc that builds crit (Vayne rushes phantom dancer typically afterwards, I believe), helps as well as . BORK's damage will slightly increase with randuin's health bonus, but the armor (and passive, if there is crit involved) helps immensely.
As for the active, I'm not quite sure how it steals movement speed (does it count as a MS boost and slow, or does it "truly" steal MS? I'm just not sure), but armor should help reduce the damage.
I won't advocate never building health, however, if you're a bruiser/tank because you're going to need that for other sources of damage besides BORK, but as much as I know there's armor and two specific items at least to help counter it a little.
Impish Yordle3 votesBlind?
53436278DEL12 votesarmor and health
Salron6 votes[{quoted}](name=Fear Become Fury,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=GJyiEIlx,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2015-09-02T22:29:32.145+0000)
armor and health
The item is bought specifically to counter health....
LegacyDAP1 votesI mean maybe thornmail? But it's somewhat useless.
53436278DEL12 votes[{quoted}](name=Face The Win,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=GJyiEIlx,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2015-09-02T22:30:05.918+0000)
The item is bought specifically to counter health....
i'm going to say it again.. Health and armor. AKA randuins / sunfire BOTRK is not true damage.
Xonra3 votes[{quoted}](name=Fear Become Fury,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=GJyiEIlx,comment-id=000000000001,timestamp=2015-09-02T22:53:16.763+0000)
i'm going to say it again.. Health and armor. AKA randuins / sunfire BOTRK is not true damage.
Then you just get armor pen items and crit (if you are an adc specifically), and you are at best a little better ish, while they still have a lot better optimization for doing more than just mitigating AD, with attack speed, lifesteal, tower/wave clearing, and crit.
Armor and health only sort of deal with as it gives AD, attack speed, lifesteal, counters your health you just bought instantly with percent health damage (and not a meaningless amount), and an active slow that makes you kitable.
53436278DEL13 votesThen you just get armor pen items and crit (if you are an adc specifically), and you are at best a little better ish, while they still have a lot better optimization for doing more than just mitigating AD, with attack speed, lifesteal, tower/wave clearing, and crit.
Armor and health only sort of deal with
The question was about Blade of the ruined king buying amor pen is a different topic
Xonra2 votes[{quoted}](name=Fear Become Fury,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=GJyiEIlx,comment-id=00000000000100000000,timestamp=2015-09-02T23:14:28.948+0000)
The question was about Blade of the ruined king buying amor pen is a different topic
Just because it doesn't agree with your opinion doesn't make it a different topic. Sorry, you can't "win" an argument that way.
The fact is, health in no way counters Blade, and unless you think someone is just going to buy blade and never buy another item again, then my point still stands.
Putting an idea in a small box and trying to only look at it in that box doesn't solve the issue at hand. The fact is, Blade isn't going to be the only item that person buys, so only focusing on that by saying "buy armor" is irrelevant. Especially since 1 armor item isn't going to counter Blade, so you might need two. but I guess only the person buying defense is allowed 2 items, not the person using
53436278DEL12 votesJust because it doesn't agree with your opinion doesn't make it a different topic. Sorry, you can't "win" an argument that way.
The fact is, health in no way counters Blade, and unless you think someone is just going to buy blade and never buy another item again, then my point still stands.
Putting an idea in a small box and trying to only look at it in that box doesn't solve the issue at hand. The fact is, Blade isn't going to be the only item that person buys, so only focusing on that by saying "buy armor" is irrelevant. Especially since 1 armor item isn't going to counter Blade, so you might need two. but I guess only the person buying defense is allowed 2 items, not the person using
K mr diamond 5 teach me
Xonra1 votes[{quoted}](name=Fear Become Fury,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=GJyiEIlx,comment-id=0000000000010000000000000000,timestamp=2015-09-02T23:37:20.060+0000)
K mr diamond 5 teach me
Pretty obvious you have no actual argument here as that is the best you could think to say, given that I gave you actual evidence that you were wrong. All you've said is "nope not the question", and "I'm diamond" as your rebuttal.
Being in diamond doesn't mean you can't be wrong lol
53436278DEL14 votesPretty obvious you have no actual argument here as that is the best you could think to say, given that I gave you actual evidence that you were wrong. All you've said is "nope not the question", and "I'm diamond" as your rebuttal.
Being in diamond doesn't mean you can't be wrong lol
the counter for blade of the ruined king would be randuins and frozen heart. the counter to randuins and frozen heart is last whisper the counter to last whisper is health the counter to health is blade of the ruined king. THE QUESTION WAS "Does Blade of the Ruined King have any sort of counter? the answer is yes randuins and FH you procede to say that you can counter armor with last whisper that isn't my concern
Xonra1 votes[{quoted}](name=Fear Become Fury,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=GJyiEIlx,comment-id=000000000001000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2015-09-02T23:53:04.664+0000)
the counter for blade of the ruined king would be randuins and frozen heart. the counter to randuins and frozen heart is last whisper the counter to last whisper is health the counter to health is blade of the ruined king. THE QUESTION WAS "Does Blade of the Ruined King have any sort of counter? the answer is yes randuins and FH you procede to say that you can counter armor with last whisper that isn't my concern
I don't really care at this point what your "concern" is lol You are just being salty because I produced a counter argument and your response is basically "no, you aren't allowed to counter argue." I'm sorry but that isn't how it works.
I'm not bound to a strict set of guidelines because you don't want someone to go outside of what you want so you can think you are right in a forum argument.
RogueWill2 votesNormally is the main counter for . It gives copious amount of Armor plus a attack speed debuff so the Blade don't proc as often. If it is item on item Frozen will allow you to win all the way until late game.
Now it is most likely that if you buy Bork you are planing to spend some cash on armor pen. Now with this combination Health Regen is going to be your friend as Health alone will be depletion quite fast. So I will suggest taking care of your MR at the same time of getting some health regen by taking either 
or 
Then you have the option to either stack armor and health on different items and getting 
+ 
or just go with hybrids 
. The fifth item are your boots and the sixth is your attack item of choice assuming you are a bruiser or more resistance if you are a full tank.
Xonra1 votesNormally
Now it is most likely that if you buy Bork you are planing to spend some cash on armor pen. Now with this combination Health Regen is going to be your friend as Health alone will be depletion quite fast. So I will suggest taking care of your MR at the same time of getting some health regen by taking either
THIS is the response I have been looking for. An actual well thought out point. Not just "yeah but, you can't say that cause that isn't what I wanted you to say so hmph."
Thank you for a well thought out response to my point, finally. I appreciate it.
A Miss Fortune1 votesDoesn't BoRK counter health and also do Magic damage? Not Physical.
53436278DEL11 votes[{quoted}](name=A Miss Fortune,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=GJyiEIlx,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2015-09-03T01:32:21.727+0000)
Doesn't BoRK counter health and also do Magic damage? Not Physical.
UNIQUE: Basic attacks deal 8% of the target's current health (min 10) in bonus on-hit physical damage (max 60 vs. minions and monsters). please note it said on hit physical damage
A Miss Fortune1 votesI'm the worst ADC main ever
RogueWill1 votesYou are thinking of old Madred's Bloodrazor. That one used to deal magic damage (4%) but if was changed into physical when reworked on BoRK to help itemization
AMYS GRAVE2 votes
Linna Excel1 votesPoppy's passive.
Kingopants1 votes[{quoted}](name=Linna Excel,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=GJyiEIlx,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2015-09-02T22:32:18.851+0000)
Poppy's passive.
Holy cow, I just realized
You would literally always proc poppy's passive with BotRK, (Depending on whether or not the passive counts before Resistances or after and if you do >2% of poppies health in Physical Damage with your Autos)
Mathbalnase1 votesArmor. Attack Speed Slows. Grievous Wounds. Burst.
Lovelle1 votesIf the champion that buys either has , free armor penetration, or free %hp damage in their kit they're gonna cut through you no matter what you build. In that sense, %damage reduction, shields, and completely avoiding their spells are the best counters. Of course, not every champion has the capacity for this, depending on the matchup, hence the problem.
I honestly just wish Riot would remove the item already. That or nerf it so hard it becomes niche like S2 Madred's Bloodrazor. All the champions that abuse the item didn't need it back then (when bruisers and tanks were MUCH tankier), they don't need it now.
Meep Man1 votesBuying armor can go against it but let me state that "ITEMS COUNTERING ITEMS SPECIFICALLY IS NOT GOOD!" This just leads to stale builds and too much counterplay to handle.
Plus, offensive items need to always slightly have the edge so games can actually end and people can actually be killed. Otheriwse every fight would be a pool noodle fight.
UltraSceptile1 votesArmor sort of counters it because it does percent health physical damage.
AL0001 votesbest item: FH + any offensive+ health item (bc, hydra titanic, etc) best offensive: assassin or any burst champion like malphite, garen, leb, fiz, etc... burst > AA + AS best defensive cc : slow AS, stun or knocked up best escape method: flash or ghost
botrk is so broken no matter....
Squidblimp1 votesLiterally armor. It deals %HP PHYSICAL damage, so build ARMOR to counter PHYSICAL damage.
Frozen Heart and Randuin's Omen are best since they also slow attack speed, reducing the on-hit procs of the item.
Cindikle1 votesArmor, not building HP, attack speed slow, stuns, blinds, displacement, death.
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