This is bullshit. it's almost impossible to kill a quinn as a mele champ because she can take half your health in one shot and bounce off of you without being hit. Tell me WHY THE LIVING FUCK DOES SHE GET TO LEAP OFF OF PEOPLE AND NOT GET PUNISHED FOR IT?
Brutalitops016 votesWhile dashing from Vault, she isn't untargetable. You should be able to hit her all you want, even change where she dashes to if you have a dash yourself and reacting fast enough. Yes, it applies a small knockup when you get hit by it, but I have been killed while trying to Vault off of an enemy while low health and then they start the attack animation before I hit them and the animation completes. It was a Fiora specifically, so it was a melee champion.
Mira Arya Enthe2 votesWhile dashing from Vault, she isn't untargetable. You should be able to hit her all you want, even change where she dashes to if you have a dash yourself and reacting fast enough. Yes, it applies a small knockup when you get hit by it, but I have been killed while trying to Vault off of an enemy while low health and then they start the attack animation before I hit them and the animation completes. It was a Fiora specifically, so it was a melee champion.
She does need a nerf, but her vault mechanic is fine. Don't know why that is the suggestion being made. Her Q is toxic and her damage is too high.
Brutalitops013 votesWhen they first modified her for the Marksman update, they removed the Q blind entirely. Then she was the weakest of the reworks to the point where Riot had to give her something to make her actually even slightly useful. They didn't want her to get a Teemo-like blind back, so they gave her Nearsight on her Q. Honestly, I don't mind the Nearsight mechanic on her. Yes, it's annoying to deal with, but it's better than Graves because it's a skillshot that isn't hard at all to dodge. I feel like anyone who would call Quinn OP or in need of nerfs after all the nerfs she's gotten to bring the Q more in line just doesn't know how to play against her. Notice how rarely she's played. In low ELO, she can see some more play because she's put against people who have no idea how to deal with her - whenever I play her top lane, I usually get as much poke as I want on my opponent because they just don't know how to stop me. The passive mark is extremely random and usually won't mark the opponent over all the minions unless she does something specifically to make it mark them. If she does, the enemies can just back off and not care. And if they stand behind minions, the Q can never mark them and her poke becomes far weaker. She's forced to all-in her opponents to deal any kind of damage. Oh, and did I mention that the nearsight can be QSS'd or Cleansed? She has more than enough counterplay for anyone who actually knows it.
Mira Arya Enthe2 votesWhen they first modified her for the Marksman update, they removed the Q blind entirely. Then she was the weakest of the reworks to the point where Riot had to give her something to make her actually even slightly useful. They didn't want her to get a Teemo-like blind back, so they gave her Nearsight on her Q. Honestly, I don't mind the Nearsight mechanic on her. Yes, it's annoying to deal with, but it's better than Graves because it's a skillshot that isn't hard at all to dodge. I feel like anyone who would call Quinn OP or in need of nerfs after all the nerfs she's gotten to bring the Q more in line just doesn't know how to play against her. Notice how rarely she's played. In low ELO, she can see some more play because she's put against people who have no idea how to deal with her - whenever I play her top lane, I usually get as much poke as I want on my opponent because they just don't know how to stop me. The passive mark is extremely random and usually won't mark the opponent over all the minions unless she does something specifically to make it mark them. If she does, the enemies can just back off and not care. And if they stand behind minions, the Q can never mark them and her poke becomes far weaker. She's forced to all-in her opponents to deal any kind of damage. Oh, and did I mention that the nearsight can be QSS'd or Cleansed? She has more than enough counterplay for anyone who actually knows it.
She does need a nerf. She is currently 55% win rate top lane as of this patch. But not to her Vault's mechanic.
http://champion.gg/champion/Quinn/Top Champion.gg is platinum plus stats. Not low ELO
ModWulf Helhammer2 votesYeah, but with a 1.43% playrate.
Or are you going to call for Sol jungle and Zilean mid nerfs too?
Mira Arya Enthe2 votesYeah, but with a 1.43% playrate.
Or are you going to call for Sol jungle and Zilean mid nerfs too?
1.47% out of 132 champions. Isn't terrible. She is too oppressive in top lane and needs some minor nerfs there. She could use some compensating buffs perhaps to her base HP or Armor so she can jungle well and so she can survive a little better top lane. But she could use some small tweaks for top lane against melee champions yes. I think nerfing the slow on her vault is fine.
OurLestrade4 votesI mean people complained about how useless vault was BECAUSE you could be hit while vaulting on someone back in the day. What?
Mira Arya Enthe1 votesI mean people complained about how useless vault was BECAUSE you could be hit while vaulting on someone back in the day. What?
Thank you.
Fuh Queue2 votesWhat's with all these people whining about Quinn today? I haven't even had a game against one (or with one) in my last 100 games.
EndlessSorcerer2 votes
Ha ha, no. Get into the poison.
*Fling*
Mira Arya Enthe1 votesThis is bullshit. it's almost impossible to kill a quinn as a mele champ because she can take half your health in one shot and bounce off of you without being hit. Tell me WHY THE LIVING FUCK DOES SHE GET TO LEAP OFF OF PEOPLE AND NOT GET PUNISHED FOR IT?
Because too many melee champions one shot you or apply some effect/cc the moment you get in range of them... and it's her only 'escape'
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Because too many melee champions one shot you or apply some effect/cc the moment you get in range of them... and it's her only 'escape'
Her blind is an escape in of itself
Mira Arya Enthe1 votesHer blind is an escape in of itself
He blind does nothing to champions in melee range of her. Which is what we are talking about.
A better solution would be to keep her Vault as is, leaving it as a fun skill based ability, and work on fixing her annoying as fuck Q.
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He blind does nothing to champions in melee range of her. Which is what we are talking about.
Her vault has a slow, which is an escape. Her W gives extra movement speed, which is an escape. Blind plus vault and w is an escape and kill without any counterplay.
Mira Arya Enthe2 votesHer vault has a slow, which is an escape. Her W gives extra movement speed, which is an escape. Blind plus vault and w is an escape and kill without any counterplay.
She needs a nerf, and her Q needs to be adjusted or reworked. Her vault is fine. Riot makes the mistake too regularly of not directly attacking problems like high damage or toxic abilities. And instead making other ones just feel bad to use. She needs her numbers nerfed and her Q needs something. Removing the slow from vault would be fine, but not adjusting its mechanic so it is barely functional.
Mira Arya Enthe1 votesThe problem with this suggestion is it makes Vault a bad ability. Instead of letting you escape that Garen Q or Trynd Crit, you are giving it to them by vaulting off of them. Removing the slow from vault and/or reworking her Q would be fine.
TenshouSNK1 votes55% is high, not asking for nerfs, but it is high.
l Dárius l1 votesPlay Darius and e as soon as she does. Freelo