I guess the riot balance team has a fetish for uncounterable stealth mechanics. 1 second cooldown on a stealth that is also a damage steroid is laughably overpowered. Yet again this is the same balance team that thinks akali's shroud giving immunity to turrets is fine.
Mordepool54 votesThey have Completely abandoned the Design Code on Counterplay. #For Shame
Zaghyr22 votesThey have abandoned almost every design code unfortunately.
Aza Tarkh53 voteshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EveF2F9FKMY&t=30s
For those who are afraid to click on the link watch Vandril on youtube and check "0 CD TUMBLE?! New Vayne BUFF?" video. I don't know if I should laugh or cry. If this goes on public server I will permaban her until she gets fixed. Meanwhile I'm [slayer-pantheon-popcorn]
SociaI Justice2 votespeople should be very afraid of a youtube link, god knows what trouble it could brew.
ThisName1sDumb2 votesI mean, Rick Rolls are a thing
ez mental boom3 votesBut the boards embeds youtube links so it's very obviously not a thing here
LordGeovanni3 votesI already try to perma ban her so this effects me slightly less though she gets through when i go to ban her an ally hovers her and i dont ban her becasuse if i do the baby is gonna range more likely than not and ruin the game anyway and the enemy team usually just picks her early then my team harrasses me later in the game for never grouping when i dont want to have to deal with vaynes bs true damage on top of her super high base damage and mobility.
Starcraft243ver1 votesLooks like Urf =')
Hupsis11 votesHer Q during ult will be on 0.6 sec cd (with 40% cdr).
She's essentially a ranged Master Yi :/
3TWarrior2 votesnot even yi is that fast
Janakin10 votesReplace those incompetent people in the gameplay design team already...
FOR JUSTICE9 votesshe only stealths if shes in ult, which is on a 100 second CD. or is extended on a kill. but only during ult at max q rank is it a 1 second CD. (this is BEFORE taking into account cdr, so it could potentially be lower, though not by much considering vayne doesnt normally build it)
also just to note, her q doesnt actually enter cooldown until she actually fires her auto. so it would look like
tumble (invisible now) auto attack (reveal) (1 second downtime, unless she condemns, as she cant auto until it resets) tumble
just clearing up an error or two from the op. carry on.
FemalesAreLesser7 votesshe only stealths if shes in ult, which is on a 100 second CD. or is extended on a kill. but only during ult at max q rank is it a 1 second CD.
also just to note, her q doesnt actually enter cooldown until she actually fires her auto. so it would look like
tumble (invisible now) auto attack (reveal) (1 second downtime, unless she condemns, as she cant auto until it resets) tumble
I like it when people comment with actual thoughts, and get downvoted because people are far too ignorant too understand how to play around things.
or in this case, are just a bunch of Vayne player haters. Honestly is so disturbing.
Divewing3 votesI hate Vayne, but even I'm not stupid enough to lose my shit like this.
Buffing tumble is like buffing Yasuo Q - at a a certain point in the game, the champion reaches a point where using the skill LOWERS their dps.
I'm more concerned about how much time she will be spending in stealth...
Akali I can handle because she's cooldown and skillshot gated, and her stealth options are limited. Vayne can go any fucking direction she wants and theres no dodging auto attacks (fuck off Jax)
FemalesAreLesser2 votesI hate Vayne, but even I'm not stupid enough to lose my shit like this.
Buffing tumble is like buffing Yasuo Q - at a a certain point in the game, the champion reaches a point where using the skill LOWERS their dps.
I'm more concerned about how much time she will be spending in stealth...
Akali I can handle because she's cooldown and skillshot gated, and her stealth options are limited. Vayne can go any fucking direction she wants and theres no dodging auto attacks (fuck off Jax)
Then what are you complaining for, a lower Dps, orrrr... Vayne REquired her ultimate to be able to go invis, akali can use it from start to end of the game. and vayne's pre 6 alone is terrible compared to most other Adc. And with the amount of point and click/AOE CC/ Dashes there is in this game, it's good to see this could help vayne keep her identity that kai'sa took for while to be that late game play maker duck and cover type of carry. ontop of that, Akali hit's multiple champions with all abilities but her E, vayne is stuck to single target damage to get the most out of her. so really? this is a very good thing.
Divewing2 votesIf i'm looking for a kill, I'm more worried about the Vayne stealth than Akali's stealth for the reasons I provided.
How the champions work over the course of a game is irrelevant in this context.
3TWarrior4 votespeople hate akali and she has a greater than 60% banrate in diamond+
riot is now introducing a stealth mechanic that is MORE DANGEROUS THAN AKALI
FemalesAreLesser1 votespeople hate akali and she has a greater than 60% banrate in diamond+
riot is now introducing a stealth mechanic that is MORE DANGEROUS THAN AKALI
Akali also has an Early - Mid game :) Vayne barely has an early game, meh mid game, and is MEANT to be a late game powerhouse, akali does that from start to finish. so yeah ofc shes going to have the higher ban rate, cause all of 6k people maybe play vayne.
3TWarrior1 voteswe will see. If a burst build gets featured somewhere or that video catches on, the game will change
vayne is not picked often because of her low "effective range" or "total range" , she doesn't have offensive abilities to back her up, but she's still a powerful marksman with 14% max hp true damage
BILLAY1 votesshe only stealths if shes in ult, which is on a 100 second CD. or is extended on a kill. but only during ult at max q rank is it a 1 second CD.
also just to note, her q doesnt actually enter cooldown until she actually fires her auto. so it would look like
tumble (invisible now) auto attack (reveal) (1 second downtime, unless she condemns, as she cant auto until it resets) tumble
VAYNE MAIN SHUT UP
FOR JUSTICE3 votesIM NOT A VAYNE MAIN DAMN IT XD
WhispersinMyHead2 votesSo every 100 seconds she gets a penta-kill, np sounds fine
FOR JUSTICE4 votesI never actually said the buff was ok, i just corrected the OP. Every one else just assumed i was trying to rationalize it ofc.
But thats the boards for ya, cant actually coment in any way, shape, or form of it makes it sound apologetic
It do be like that
Heos005 votesYeah. As main adc i like it but... it just inyects more fkn damage to the game without solving any real adc's problems lmao balance team is a joke if this makes to live servers...
Autrah Fang5 votesCuz Vayne totally needs to be able to press Q for every one of her auto attacks... Makes sense to me!!
AR URF4 votesyou people complain about vayne when there's literally people running around one shotting. 
. besides if vayne is such a problem, just play a one shot champion.
Poppy WebMD17 votes[{quoted}](name=AR URF,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=GIMyojTW,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2018-12-09T05:44:22.534+0000)
you people complain about vayne when there's literally people running around one shotting.
every champion there (except akali, shes broken) can be easily countered/ offer some counterplay potential.
FemalesAreLesser5 votesevery champion there (except akali, shes broken) can be easily countered/ offer some counterplay potential.
:^) counter play, right.
Votable Jester4 votesEven Veigar needs you to get hurt before his ult will kill you, and all his other abilities give at least a little warning.
He really isn't a one-shotter anymore (unless he's super fed and lands W on you).
FemalesAreLesser2 votes[{quoted}](name=Votable Jester,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=GIMyojTW,comment-id=0003000000000000,timestamp=2018-12-09T18:38:59.604+0000)
Even Veigar needs you to get hurt before his ult will kill you, and all his other abilities give at least a little warning.
He really isn't a one-shotter anymore (unless he's super fed and lands W on you).
No he can just R and kill a vayne, with how squishy she is
Shes a glass cannon, Emphasis on the glass part.
Trídent7 votesHis R is an execute, he can almost never 100-0 with it alone.
Votable Jester3 votesHis R does more damage the less health the enemy has. It does pretty low damage to a full health enemy actually.
GripaAviara1 votesLate game on squishy Q+R = dead, and since R is not skillshot, you basically kill someone in a single skillshot
Jon 6789103 votes[{quoted}](name=True Ðamage,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=GIMyojTW,comment-id=00030000000000000000,timestamp=2018-12-09T19:01:18.417+0000)
No he can just R and kill a vayne, with how squishy she is
Shes a glass cannon, Emphasis on the glass part.
He'd need about 2000 AP to do that, and that's assuming you have the 3 pen items.
FemalesAreLesser1 votes[{quoted}](name=Jon 678910,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=GIMyojTW,comment-id=000300000000000000000002,timestamp=2018-12-09T22:08:54.782+0000)
He'd need about 2000 AP to do that, and that's assuming you have the 3 pen items.
i mean, We're Talking Late game, and viegar. Sooooo not a far stretch by any means.
Starcraft243ver1 voteshis R does less damages the more %hp the opponent have. So, no.
Also, if vayne gets a maw she will survive a Q R while veigar will be dead before his Q cd is even back even if he buys a randuin.
FemalesAreLesser1 voteshis R does less damages the more %hp the opponent have. So, no.
Also, if vayne gets a maw she will survive a Q R while veigar will be dead before his Q cd is even back even if he buys a randuin.
why on earth would a viegar have a randuins, Viegar CAN and WILL press R on a vayne (assuming this is late game where she is the problem and can almost 1 shot) and she will die, and bringing up what they may build or not build, thats just subjective to a point of trying to make an argument like that. and wont work cause who goign to die to vieg R only if they stack MR.
Starcraft243ver1 votesVayne cannot die out of a single veigar R. Vayne can outplay veigar, veigar can't outplay vayne.
Lvl 18 vayne has
2028 HP and 38,5 MR, assuming vayne is full offensive and has no single rune or item reducing incoming damages, and assuming veigar is full build with a morello and sorceres boots
A full build veigar will have enough pen to reduce vayne's MR to 0. Veigar ult on a 100% hp target deals : 325 (+ 75% AP)
So in order to deal 2028 damages, veigar will need : ( 2028 - 325 ) / 0,75 = 2270 AP
So it's clearly impossible that veigar can build this much AP.
(Note most vayne have mercurial AND PhD when full build so they have more MR and more damage reduction than I took in my example).
FemalesAreLesser1 votesYay someone with numbers! Are you including ludens, which they would 100% have, and can we do an average amount of AP a vieg would have in a late game both full build scenario?
Starcraft243ver1 votesTo be honnest a lot of veigar plays GLP rather than luden. Yet luden need to be charged.
So let's still take an ideal scenario where veigar use luden : luden deals 100 + 10% AP
Veigar ult damages deals 1,5% more damage per 1% hp missing for the target.
https://i.imgur.com/58mA78C.png
The breakpoint is at 1650 AP
I Otp veigar. I never reached such a high level of ap in my life in a fair ranked game (not talking about when I climb with a smurf and make the won game last on purpose to stack ap).
I reach full build one game out of 5, but I rarely get full damages, I often get a single defensive item. (That would be stupid to be fed just to get deleted by the ennemy Vi or nocturne without any chance to even cast a spell).
When i'm over fed and full stuff i'll be at 1200-1400 AP (happens one game out of 20) maybe)
Never have I ever seen a vayne not buying at least an MR item when facing a fed veigar.
So we can theorycraft all day long, but at the end of the day, veigar never deletes anyone with R only anymore.
FemalesAreLesser1 votesWould it be fair to say it just depends on the players then? Cause i play AD, And i've played viegar alot when i played mid, and i have been 100-0'd by viegars R easily, it even feels worse when ahead then suddenly you dont play the game anymore.
Starcraft243ver1 votesWasnt it back in seasons 5 and before when veigar ult was not a finisher and was an anti-mage scaling on opponent ap as well ?
The maths here can't be denied. But remember that we are talking about a 100% health vayne. If you have 50%hp as a squishy a veigar with 1000 ap will execute you.
Veigar has clear strenght but also clear weaknesses. Many kits totaly invalidate his.
But nowadays games are so quick we do not have a lot of full build 1400+ ap veigar.
GripaAviara1 votesViegar is OP not because his insane high damage, it's because his W. A nuker should not have one of the best CC in game
KDA Akalee2 votesYou can easily counter Akali anyone who thinks otherwise just doesn't know how to play against her. Its not that shes hard to play against its that shes not fun to play against with that w. You should be disengaging when she uses w then go in after shroud fades who are probably trying to fight in the shroud thinking you can hit skillshots by predicting the akali. No you waste cooldown that you should be disengaging and rengaging with abilities after she leaves shroud. Please disregard any spelling or grammar errors (Im on mobile) Edit: Spelling mistake
Ranmaru1 votesAll it does is reset the tumble cooldown when she presses r [zombie-brand-facepalm]
Thefrostyviking18 votesAll it does is reset the tumble cooldown when she presses r [zombie-brand-facepalm]
No actually, it´s the same as Nasus ulti in how it reduces Q CD as long as the ult is active.
Vandriil did a video showing how the Q drops to ... i think its less than 1 second? CD.
Its absolutely nasty.
