Jungling not worth it anymore

Bears Dont Care··8 votes·1,267 views

I was really excited at first with the jungle changes. Smite having different effects based on enchantment. Monsters giving various buffs. Scuttle crab.

It looked really, really cool. Okay they want ju nglers to create less pressure, totally understand. Reducing gold and exp okay i can understand. But then.. when it seemes some junglers could not do well such as evelynn or nautilus, nothing was donr.

Instead, we see global changes that do not help them. Trailblazer had its cd increased. Okay... fine, that made sense since it beat every other choice.. But reducing smite range is a global change that only hirts the jungle meta. Junglers with ms enhancements or click based targeting are hurt by the change. Lee sin, jarvan, elise, shaco vi, they are not affected because they fnctioned without it before jungle changes. It wont affect them because they will always be in range of their target to smite them even if chilling smite had 200ranve

Junglers who were helped and made more viable uch as evelynn, udyr, warwick(rip) allsuffer and have their viability reduced even further.

If jarvan and lee sin are prese ting so any problems, which you admit, then thy need to be addressed specifically. All that is being done is damaging the new jungle that was made without dealing with those problematic champions.

For now, i am just going to lane. I cannot jungle my favorite champs anymore. Gold and exp reduction ensures you cannot stop a snowballed lane. All the champs i play fail.compared to lee sin and jarvan. I should not b forced to play champ x or y to have an impact.

I was really enjoying the new jungle but ll these changes just.dont make it worth it anymore.

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17 Comments

Boswick2 votes

Riot says they want more champion diversity in the jungle every season, then they go about making a bunch of changes that do the exact opposite. They have no clue how to balance the jungle. It's sad because all the changes at the start did look really cool.

Also you forgot the 100g increase on the jungler items.

ValyrianBlade1 votes

Seriously they're lowering smite's range?

Hecarim with chilling smite was my favorite thing in the new jungle. This ruins it. The ms steal was a huge part of what made his ganks viable. I'm not sure it's quite as bad as it seems, I'll just have to be riskier and come in from farther behind when possible (rip ganking red bot Lane or blue top Lane unless they're pushed though), but using smite to catch up with my e even faster for the gank was a huge part of what I felt made hecarim strong, or at least viable against the instant gap closing junglers like Lee sin/J4/vi, etc...

el PepE hanDs 1 votes

Hecarim doesn't even need the chilling smite to catch people I use the dam chilling smite for burst on hec lol

ValyrianBlade1 votes

It's not that I need it to catch them, it's that it helps to catch them earlier so my laner can contribute more damage in the level 4-5 ganks (or even later ganks when my ult is down). I find if I don't smite early they can occasionally get back to turret on the first few ganks, whereas I have an incredible success rate on ganks when I get chilling smite down before they start retreating.

el PepE hanDs 1 votes

Ok that is fair enough but I'll be honest this nerf doesn't hurt hec at all. Hec never has a problem getting to his target

pE4CbxDPQO1 votes

I wind up with more full builds when I jungle than when I do anything else and it's like my worst role. Not sure how you aren't getting gold. I basically jungle amumu and wukong. Hope this helps.

Bears Dont Care1 votes

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I wind up with more full builds when I jungle than when I do anything else and it's like my worst role. Not sure how you aren't getting gold. I basically jungle amumu and wukong. Hope this helps.

You have no credibility with these statements as it is impossible to be b ilt before q laner in terms of gold farm

Tapdatgoat1 votes

can't nerf j4 and lee, muh lcs gap closer plays

pE4CbxDPQO1 votes

Well, if you gank evenly and successfully and counter jungle and solo kill stragglers and farm effectively it is VERY possible, not to mention the jungle item is cheap and one of my go to items is FH which is quite cheap and efficient.

Spacesuit Spiff1 votes

It's totally possible to do well as Naut, you just need to micro a lot more than before. Always start Krugs, and time the stun with your shield to increase your W damage. He's my go-to tank jungler right now.

ValyrianBlade1 votes

You start Krugs on a tank jungler?

Either you've figured out something crazy, or you're unaware that gromp was supposed to be the tank jungler's buff :P

I thought Nautilus had horrid attack speed... are you running AS Quints and Marks (and anything else?)

But to your actual point - I do find a LOT of junglers are more viable now. At least at the common levels of play. I don't see someone pick a nautilus / sejuani / etc... and instantly worry we're at a disadvantage. Similarly I'm confident my teammates no longer see me pick Hecarim and think we're at a disadvantage (I've actually received a few "YES! Hecarim!" cheers upon picking him even, which I NEVER saw in S4).

PL551 votes

I mostly play jungle because I find it the most fun, but I don't know if it is even fun anymore: Always behind in xp so ganking can backfire easily Chilling smite was key on Udyr for me (gotta see how hard the change hits) Everyone is picking J4 now :( Junglers get the most hate out of any role in the game I only have fun with jungling now if I have 2-4 friends with me

DarkenedSoul4201 votes

Well ya know, nid is doing really good in the jungle now so they have to nerf jungle for everyone some more item 3070

Scane1 votes

The jungles just hard now. (get good)

Bears Dont Care1 votes

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The jungles just hard now. (get good)

You're retarded. (get your head out your ass.)

Moving on, global nerfs based on 1 or 2 junglers is never a good idea. The top tier junglers are either unaffected or unhindered, and the lower junglers get completely wrecked by it.

Scane1 votes

Improve your mechanics in he jungle.

insaiyanbacca1 votes

while i do agree the jungle is hard its the fact that 2 or 3 champs are out preforming other junglers so people are complaining so riot wants to weaken them but riot is weakening the jungle as a whole leaving those 2 or 3 on top

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