if Lee is only good in high elo

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Lee is good in any elo if played by a skilled person.

Janna, imo, is only good in higher elos.

silver skilled

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Group think. The same thing that makes people think he is good at high elo. The statistics say otherwise. Do pay attention to the graph of win rate vs games played with Lee Sin as a jungler in ranked. And remember only Plat+ players are included in the sample.

Now compare that graph to this one.

When I read that I assumed you meant that high elos think he's good in high elo which is completely false since I have several high-diamond/master friends who think he's shit.

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I don't think he's OP or anything, but a 17.68% pick rate is a tad excessive. Though there's other problematic champions, such as Graves's high pick rate (40%+), Jinx (30%), and Leona (25%).

shrugs

People don't like Lee Sin because he just has a shit ton of stuff in his kit, and not all of it makes sense. Just a lot of utility with a lot of damage as well (200% bonus AD and higher base damage than Vi's ultimate; and you wonder why some Vi players got pissed).

does this mean we can nerf Jinx if pickrate is excessive? Every time I make a thread about her I get told that a massive winrate + pickrate + LCS play is fine.

Vi is still more reliably able to do damage and Lee's ult might have a lot of damage but you can't just straight up use it for damage without thinking like you can with basically every aspect of Vi's kit.

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Because he isn't good in high elo.

He's only good in 5v5 organized play, which composes about 1% of the games played.

LCS is mostly tanks now though.