How come some stat checks can be viable but not others?

Big Lincoln·Jun 8, 2017·4 votes·343 views

e.g are in acceptable positions and are quite good across most elos at the moment, and besides tryndamere most people are fine with these guys as long as they aren't the dominant picks (pantheon is a dominant pick so people are starting to complain, for example)

but why is say or being worked out to be a bit stronger so bad? i would wager that the above champs are just as abusing of low elo players if not more, but we're pretty much fine with them.

so i want to know what the difference is. keep in mind, i am completely fine with those guys being good; i'd just like the ones who i happen to like to also be good. so i'd like to know what makes you alright with one, but not the other, or if you think all of them should be kept unviable because of their nature

8 Comments

AhristocatsJun 8, 20175 votes

because even some stat checking champions can requiere skill to play

master yi meditation and alpha strike usage depends heavily on the skill of master yi xin passive usage and knowing which target will not get knocked back is also a form of skill trynd fury management

garen on the other hand simply has nothing and a good or bad garen will not be different, same for volibear

i don't know why pantheon is in your list of stat checking

Big LincolnJun 8, 20171 votes

i don't know why pantheon is in your list of stat checking

pantheon stat checks you with his mana bar

TimX24968BJun 8, 20171 votes

difference between good and bad garen has to do more with positioning and decisions on combos.

Also difference between both of those and first time garen is that they will ult you with a lvl 1 ult when you are at 3/4ths HP to initiate an all-in.

ApocalypsicJun 8, 20171 votes

Garen has combos???

Not to sound rude here but isn't his only option literally Q into E and R at some point when they're low?

TimX24968BJun 8, 20171 votes

more like when should you do Q-E vs E-Q (now offers more damage thanks to armor shred), when should you back off with your E, when should you use your W when going in with E, how to position with E, and knowing which health percentages can execute. his more damage but a little harder to land combo goes E-Q(while E is still going), then W if they try to turn around and fight you, then autos until your E cooldown comes back. Thats why CDR and black cleaver are kinda needed on him. Or back off and basically thats a simple trade.

Warhammer TitanJun 8, 20172 votes

I think everyone is fine with a Garen/Udyr/Volibear buff.

TimX24968BJun 8, 20171 votes

I will never not be fine with a garen buff.

doodlebob666Jun 8, 20171 votes

and playmaking potential tend to be a separating point, a high elo pantheon knows how to snowball the map, a high elo garen can't. Another could be having power in mobility, since it doesn't persist through an entire fight low elo player's who can't use it properly are punished. On the other hand survivability is something that prevents mistakes from being punished, scaling inversely with skill level, since champs like garen and voli trade mobility for tank stats they become even more stompy in lower elo's