just give garen more spins for building attack speed.

Critmaster Garen·5/5/2018, 9:32:18 PM·102 votes·22,263 views

would solve two problems of his.

1.) crit items would stay good on him after the rework, even when he cant avoid getting crit without attack speed

2.) attack speed items like item 3078 item 3046 become more efficient, and he remains a threat even with his spin on cooldown

edit.: 3) precision would become a more viable primary (or seconday) rune path as an alternative to resolve (sorcery), with less wasted stats.

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riot recently said that one of their set goals is to add additional build options and ratios to champion kits. obviously, adding AP scalings to garen doesnt make much sense in light of his lore. but adding additional spins for building bonus attack speed would make a lot of sense considering the already existing crit scaling on his abilities.

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ModKnightsKemplar5/5/2018, 10:07:12 PM31 votes

I think this could be really good for a Garen mini-rework. It's definitely an interesting idea, and I think it could work as long as they are willing to balance around it.

Beerstein5/5/2018, 9:35:11 PM16 votes

godno

Khristophoros5/5/2018, 9:41:48 PM13 votes

This would be a good change because of Stormrazor. It looks so good for him except for how much of an attack speed investment it is.

ΦmalphintoΦ5/6/2018, 1:08:57 AM7 votes

Actually garen is a mess right now if he get defense items he lack of dmg as a fighter if he get attack items he lack of defense as a fighter can't buy attack speed items like other fighters has no use of life steal items bad toplaner bad engage bad defense early game if you picked him is a free win to poke toplaners he needs his flash all the time to start a fight almost impossible to reach enemy

im really sad for this guy i liked to play him..

2nd Chance5/6/2018, 11:03:09 AM6 votes

This would certainly be nice compensation for Garen after Riot slowly chipped away his itemization options with nerfs or complete changes/removals

Arcane Blue Boi5/6/2018, 11:50:48 AM5 votes

Look, someone who plays crit garen instead of lethality. My faith on humanity is saved.

Cronofuge5/6/2018, 4:37:18 AM4 votes

Yeah some champs are being affected by the itemization changes in weird ways. Namely those who want crit for abilities but don't really want attack speed. Ones that come to mind are Garen, MF, and to a lesser degree, gangplank (he builds bruiser-sassin right now anyway)

I like the idea of your change. Building non-defensive items on Garen is a huge risk because he finds it hard to get in, granted the crit items and triforce give, as many people have complained about, movespeed. This could make him stronger in more ways than one but so many champs hard counter him that I don't think it's that big of a deal if he gets 5% movespeed. Besides, who doesn't want to see max attack speed ultra-beyblade garen?

YuGiHo5/6/2018, 12:45:35 AM4 votes

Yes please, i hope riot dos not just kill off crit garen.

Ok sure but why5/6/2018, 1:58:21 AM4 votes

Especially since you now NEED attack speed items (Zeal) for his E to even crit at all

Urgot needs this on his W too

Autrah Fang5/6/2018, 7:09:09 AM4 votes

honestly, why isn't it already like this? it just makes too much sense... especially with his E able to crit, and most crit being on attack speed items... (and after the IE and ER changes, it will only be on attack speed items)

Best Ekko NA5/6/2018, 3:04:31 PM4 votes

If they're going to do this, Garen would need either:

  1. Really trash scaling so his spins cannot reach a ridiculous amount or
  2. A hard cap on the amount of spins he is capable of reaching with attack speed.

Garen's E already does a massive amount of damage. The problem with Garen has never been his damage, it's been his inability to reach targets. Giving Garen more damage doesn't solve his core problem of him being the most kite-able laughing stock in League of Legends.

If anything, what Garen really need is less damage and more ability to stick to targets. Every Garen guide I've ever read boasts about how Garen only needs 1 damage item because his base damages are so high. Giving him more spins with attack speed is just adding more unnecessary scalings to his kit where he's already the strongest (damage).

Miku Append5/6/2018, 7:08:46 PM3 votes

Let him beyblade.

Ifneth5/5/2018, 11:00:46 PM2 votes

How about we make Judgment apply on-hit effects?

Ryusaether5/6/2018, 12:45:04 PM2 votes

Don't know tbh. It's healtier fot juggs to have this "anti-synergy" in theor builds. Id they scale both with AS and AD on their abilities there could be a problem.

Let's take Darius as an example. He benefits a lot from rough Bonus AD and CDR for his scalings, BUT he could use Atk Spd as well to stack his passive. Though investing in one of those stats means losing on the other side, and it's good to have this. So a Darius that invests in Atk Spd can stack his passive faster but loses ability damage and a bit of DPS because of his Q casting time. Now imagine his Q cast time getting reduced with Atk Spd: this would reduce windows and situations of counterplay, because he doesn't only smash you when you're near him but also gets you with short time reaction when you gain space from him.

With Garen is pretty much the same. If he does good dps just by autoing AND he even has an Atk Spd scaling on his E making it deal even more dmg, you can't play neither on his CDs nor his low basic Atk Spd.

LibroMastro5/6/2018, 7:11:56 PM2 votes

Fix his E first, you cant move after it ends

Yaśuo Main5/5/2018, 10:05:39 PM1 votes

does his E still crit because that's the only reason i would ever build crit on garen

EROTIC RAID BOSS5/6/2018, 5:04:09 PM1 votes

crit items aren't intended to be good on him lol

they want him to build like a juggernaut ideally.

like its cool you wanna do your own weird off meta thing but they don't need to support it.

Friendly Ram5/6/2018, 2:06:43 AM1 votes

Would increasing the tick rate and shortening the duration work for attack speed?

Z3Sleeper5/6/2018, 7:00:46 AM1 votes

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riot recently said that one of their stated goals is to add additional build options and ratios to champion kits.

Quote please so I can read it? Bout to theorize ratio additions for everyone.