Viktor needs to be looked at

Jinzo Torrance··10 votes·428 views

After Rylais nerf Viktor's winrate just became a steady 46% through all the patches after it; It's clear that the only reason the reworked Viktor could win and snowball a lane (and then stomp the game) was because he could pop Ghost, mindlessly fire his E towards you, proc Rylais slow to get a guaranteed second E hit and then Q AA you to the shadow realm without even ulting.

But Viktor isn't that chapion anymore, now he can't reliabily hit his second E like that and he can't permaslow you inside his ultimate since it got nerfs to his movement speed; Also his first Hex-core upgrade became more expensive and now while Viktor gets his waveclear (and basically 1/4 of his kit) for 1250g while gaining almost no stats in terms of AP or mana, the opposing laner can get a item 3155/item 3134 or a item 3802 + item 1001 which offer instant stats on top of a passive ability. Also this can get more aggravating for Viktor if he needs to rush Seeker (against Talon, Zed) or Negatron (Syndra, Ori) and skip his Hex-Core to survive the lane while his opposing laner gets their mana back every level while Viktor starves for it.

Viktor early is also way too exploitable, if you gank him before he reaches the 1250g threshold and he's forced to backport, you just shut down a Viktor, his waveclear is delayed way too much and while he can't buy anything (or a Doran at best) the opposite can spend his gold on items.

Either reduce back his first Hex-Core upgrade to 1000 again, so he can back and buy Boots, Tome or whatever along with his E upgrade OR put back the flat AP and mana value on it , so Viktor can have some form of early game back instead of having only a low amount of AP from an item which already gives low scaling AP (I'm talking about Hex-Core mk-1 item 3196 , which Viktor needs to function) OR just reverts all that Ultimate nerfs, which make it tedious to maneuvre.

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Prophet of Urgod2 votes

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Jinzo Torrance1 votes

Honestly I don't even know why I made this post, it's clear that Riot doesn't like Viktor since they didn't even notice that his ultimate would disappear if he died, for what? Like 5 patches? Even if I reported the bug 3 times here on boards and at /Viktormains they kept talking about it, they only "noticed" when it happened at worlds.

Prophet of Urgod1 votes

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Jinzo Torrance1 votes

Since in MYMU Viktor's W wasn't touched I guess you mean his first VGU? I actually didn't play Viktor heavily back then (only started after said VGU), I almost only played Malzahar back then, but seeing some old videos of Viktor it seems that his old W was actually a little bit slower to start-up than what they game him after his VGU.

Video I watched : https://youtu.be/0m3WbAPElDY?t=5m41s

In my opinion Viktor's W is just an unreliable one-point wonder stun, I like that emphatize Viktor's role of being a control mage but his augmented effect is pretty bad and doesn't fit there, sometimes actually it will cause your teammate to miss skillshot or pull enemies in a bush or a FoW zone. If I were to change the spell I would give it an higher CD (17/16/15/14/13 sec ==> 20/19/18/17/16 sec ) higher the slow percentage (28%/32%/36%/40%/44% ==> 30%/35%/40%/45%/50% | Her it might just be me but the slows below 35% don't really seem that impactful) and make his augmented W give a grounded effect instead of that pull to the center one (but obviously both the slow effect and the grounded effect would go away if the target is stunned.)

I don't know if you wanted to hear this or just if the delay on W cast should go away, but I think the delay makes so it's a skill to be used a zoning tool more than just in aggressive style and to give people some time to react to it, like they gave Veigar's E for example.

Prophet of Urgod1 votes

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Jinzo Torrance1 votes

Yeah, actually if W would keep slowing while inside it after you get stunned then the grounded effect might be too much.

I think a grounded effect on upgraded W would not be too strong actually, I tried to make a mix of Cassio's W and Veigar's E, where the skill has a delay and can stun people who don't react to it (Veigar) but grounds people who don't respect it's effectiviness after it's use (Cassio) obviously highering the cooldown (maybe even a little higher?) so it wouldn't be opprssive late game where Viktor reaches 40% CDR, also most of the time where Viktor's W is not used on chokepoints people just go around it so it just puts some power into his W.

WitchQueen Annie1 votes

I agree.

I play both Vladimir and Viktor and right now I see absolutely no reason (besides "I just feel like it") in picking Vik over Vlad.

Neither have any kill pressure in lane against competent opponents... and against bad opponents, Vladimir snowballs harder. A 2 kill Viktor can still be shut down while a 2 kill Vlad becomes a god.

Late game hyper carry with AOE damage? Vlad does it better. He has more safety AND more AOE damage and its all easier to land. He has a Sanguine Pool to reposition, tons of sustain, and a way more reliable kit (and its mostly AOE).

I can't tell you how many games I win lane with Viktor but then can't go on to carry the game. He has to position SO MUCH more carefully and his damage is so unreliable.

Viktor literally cannot function without a functioning frontline.

Meanwhile... a 3 item full damage Vladimir does whatever he wants so long as he has some game sense, and nuke the backline with impunity.

WitchQueen Annie1 votes

Viktor should get A LOT more damage in his Death Ray. A LOT more...

Jinzo Torrance2 votes

Don't really agree, the first part of his Death Ray is very difficult to dodge now that it's faster and as long as he can waveclear from level 3 E (or 4, it's accetable too) he doesn't need a damage boost on it, maybe add back the 20 damage he lost way back then in S6 but he doesn't need it in my opinion. He just needs to not be delayed this much (1250g) by doing anything other than AFK waveclear because 1/4 of his kit needs to be bought or just to not have those nerfs to his ultimate they gave him while he was rushing Ryalis (like the "Ultimate doesn't go full speed while returning back to Viktor").

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