One time, a full fury bar Tryndamere spinned on me and autoed me 4 times and didn't get off a single crit. Just saying this because people forget that his kit also can also screw him over, and that's why he needs a rework, not because you have a 1v1 auto fight at level 1 with him and he gets "lucky" after 6 autos.
MunchCrunchLunch19 votessomhow he still beats you with a 2400 gold item when you have a 3.5k gold item because of the free ad he gets. gets no ad. just crit. and does 250 per auto. so stupid.
no matter how hard you smash him. he can still easily win and does not care if you send people to gank him. he is not healthy for the game in any way and that style of play should be discouraged.
Anidan1 votesWhat style of play? Not caring as much if you gank him? Split-pushing?
MunchCrunchLunch1 votesWhat style of play? Not caring as much if you gank him? Split-pushing?
no. smashing your head against turrets over and over giving kills should not be rewarded.
Anidan1 votesSo.. proxy, basically?
MunchCrunchLunch8 votesSo.. proxy, basically?
thats not proxy. thats suiciding for talking down 25% of a tower hp. his kit allows him to not fall behind
crippler381 votesNo proxy is what singed does, take minions behind towers to get them pushing isn't it?
Thefrostyviking1 votessomhow he still beats you with a 2400 gold item when you have a 3.5k gold item because of the free ad he gets. gets no ad. just crit. and does 250 per auto. so stupid.
no matter how hard you smash him. he can still easily win and does not care if you send people to gank him. he is not healthy for the game in any way and that style of play should be discouraged.
Did you just describe Yasuo?
And Tryndamere actually has a weakness.
It's 
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He's hella scared of .
TimX24968B2 votesand 
. and (insert anyone with a decent amount of hard CC). and 
. and 
. and 
. and 
. and anyone with a blind. and anyone who knows how to kite. and forced teamfights.
Yea, keep complaining about how strong he is.
Thefrostyviking2 votesand
Yea, keep complaining about how strong he is.
I was joking about Trynda tho ._.
But for reals, Yasuo is super busted if you actually invest time in learning the champ.
SexyBabyJesusZ11 votesi just wish he wasnt that champ that sits toplane all game and splits u
seriously its unfun to play against
Anidan9 votesI mean, people in DotA2 don't all like going against Nature's Prophet, Naga Siren or Lycan because of how much they split-push, but sometimes you just gotta deal with it because they're going to do what they're designed to do best.
TimX24968B3 votesI wonder if as many people whine about it on the DOTA2 forums instead of learning how to deal with it.
Blackstone012 votesIdk about forums but when I played lots of Dota I learned to just deal with shit. All heroes are free to play, so you can choose to play a specific hero or you can pick a hero literally designed to hard counter somebody else.
crippler383 votesProbably not since everyone can buy teleport to shut down split pushing you know? Walking over and countering the push to get yourself some gold isn't bad because it won't leave your team to fight 4v5 since you can teleport back over if something goes amiss.
And with the invulnerability for all buildings the team gets and the sonar to let the team know where the enemy is, every team has the tools to deal with pushing.
Hell if your waveclear is bad you can just BUY waveclear from items.
Sexy Jack Rabbit2 votesHell if your waveclear is bad you can just BUY waveclear from items.
Tbf you can in League as well 
Need Gold 4 Tent1 votesdon't they have like a very expensive shoe with built in tp? i played DotA in WC3, no idea if the new one's anything like that.
crippler381 votes50 gold consumable that costs like 75 mana to use.
can also use the shoe that does the same thing, that one costs like 2400.
ForeverLaxx1 votesRiot doesn't want map mobility, just in-combat mobility. This is why they try to stamp out split-pushing when it gets "too strong" and why League players will always bitch about split-pushing even when it's weak. Dota has better cross-map mobility to deal with this specifically because it's designed to be a viable strategy. "Rat Dota" is a thing, afterall.
But here in League Land, if you're not grouped in midlane setting up for a big flashy teamfight, then you're doing it wrong.
TimX24968B1 votesevery champ has their nuances, you gotta learn how to deal with them.
ShovelShepherd1 votesI'm guessing you don't like Yorick all that much, either
SexyBabyJesusZ1 votes[{quoted}](name=lord gavith,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=cQ5lEJxU,comment-id=00030002,timestamp=2017-05-11T05:23:59.264+0000)
I'm guessing you don't like Yorick all that much, either
dont even get me started on yorick
TimX24968B6 votesthats called a champion's design, not a design flaw.
Edit: i love it when I get downvoted for having an opinion people disagree with.
The Bardic Gay36 votesthats called a champion's design, not a design flaw.
A champion's design can be fundamentally flawed. Kalista says hello.
TimX24968B6 votesI need a description there on kalista. I don't play her.
The Bardic Gay15 votesI need a description there on kalista. I don't play her.
Kalista when played correctly means some champions are not allowed to interact with her. Namely melees without a gap closer, and skillshot champions to a lesser extent. The only way for riot to bring her into line was to give her auto attacks a nerfed AD ratio (I can't think of any character in any moba who has an autoattack that isn't on a 1.0 AD ratio.) and turn off her base stats and shove them into her soul bound as an IV drip. Because of this, if her soulbound DCs or just doesn't cooperate with her, she's basically a non-champion.
TimX24968B3 votesah. However, the soulbound mechanic does sound like it would fit her champ extremely well in this way, its just the fact that its much much more reliable in teams who can coordinate rather than soloqueue.
My Waifu Vanilla3 votesThey gutted her base AS and shoved it into her W passive. This not only made her a liability without her soulbound, but it also made AS a VERY mediocre stat for her to buy (since %AS increase go off your base AS which got hit hard) while still being her best stat.
SH Azykan1 votes
we do others in this very game who their autos don't scale 1:1 with AD
SkZ DoPe1 votesits not as hard as you might think, you can still play her well without you oath-mate, its just harder but not impossible
IceKingChernobog2 votes[{quoted}](name=Meep Slaver,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=cQ5lEJxU,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2017-05-10T21:31:02.609+0000)
A champion's design can be fundamentally flawed. Kalista says hello.
and 
also sends their regards.
dominusx2 votesEkko/Ivern/Camille hello
Gallows madness3 votesas a tryndamere main i take it as a gamble i use ignite to make sure i do it. I also make sure i can get full AS runes with armor and mr yellow blues
Gallows madness2 votesAlso tryndamere if you play it smart after u kill the first three of their's go onto it make sure you do and you should be fine. Only people you never fight lvl 1 are pantheon, and jarvin.
Shuyin17811 votesTry that again in english.
SH Azykan2 votes
(bruiser Bard) 
there are plenty of champs that can fight trynd...
Gallows madness1 voteskill riven with ignite level 1 you win trust me. the nasus you can fight before 2-3 but if he gets w your screwed.
Trundle, that one is a good one. Yes he can indeed fight tryndamere I forgot about him.
Karma can do nearly nothing just push in on her and she is doomed.
You must be a joke to mention him losing to fizz nearly at all. That's one funny joke
General Esdeath 3 votes
80% crit chance +35% at full fury
Veltox2 votesWhy with ?
Looks like a waste of stats.
General Esdeath 2 votes Waveclear + magic damage
reduced damage in fights, combos well with 
TimX24968B1 votesi personally prefer in place of , since i tend to prefer dueling and can waveclear just fine without it. My full build looks a little somethin like this:
(I like this last one early on for the free 30% CDR (to help me escape better with my E) coupled with 70 AD and a tad of crit chance to put me at 100% crit chance, but if you dont want CDR, you can get another damage item. its a personal preference)
This gives you: 1.82ish attack speed 100% crit chance 2.5x damage per crit 35% lifesteal 1000+ damage crits
my favorite.
General Esdeath 2 votesI'd swap bork for DD and ER for PD because I feel they're situational
emernic3 votesOne time, a full fury bar Tryndamere spinned on me and autoed me 4 times and didn't get off a single crit. Just saying this because people forget that his kit also can also screw him over, and that's why he needs a rework, not because you have a 1v1 auto fight at level 1 with him and he gets "lucky" after 6 autos.
You're complaining about crits existing, not tryndamere. Not saying I disagree, I think a couple pros have said they wished RNG-based crits weren't in the game.
My Waifu Vanilla1 votesThe difference is the chances of you getting crit by every other champion in the game before 8 minutes barring Yasuo is 0%. If you get crit top lane twice in a row you HAVE to chug all or your potions or recall right there on the spot since you can't naturally sustain that sort of damage and you can't really avoid it either since he will spinning slash on you and hope he crits you. It isn't interactive in the slightest especially level 1-4 where no champion can fight him when he has max fury.
Crit chance IS a problem that should probably be addressed (especially when it is sub 50% and more luck based than anything since you can't complain about someone with 80% crit chance critting you 3-4 times in a row), but 99% of the roster has to buy the stat to make use of it. Trynd gets 35% for free starting at level 1 and there isn't anything you can do about it.
Jerry SeinfeId3 votes1% crit runes bby.
Radiant Wukong3 votesI always build my Tryndamere with AS runes. 100% crit = no RNG
TimX24968B1 votesI do exactly that but replace SS with PD. I like dueling a bit more than waveclear with him.
Radiant Wukong2 votes95% of the time I do run PD, but it depends on the matchup. When I know I can't farm in the middle of the lane early game 
then I'll rush SS so my turret doesn't disappear before the 10 minute mark.
TotalJerk1 votesWhy would you ever buy essence reaver on Tryndamere?
TimX24968B4 votes30% CDR (either from his passive or as a second item), coupled with 70 AD and 20% crit chance outweighs the weird mana gimmick. Some people say he doesn't need CDR, some prefer and want it.
Radiant Wukong1 votesThis
PS Tired of getting asked that question, I just ignore it now lol
