Taunting Garen should cancel his spin

Glamorous Rammus··4 votes·1,607 views

Judgement: Garen performs a dance of death with his sword, dealing damage around him for the duration and shredding the armor of enemies hit.

Show me where it says "becomes immune to taunts".

Taunt: (from League Wiki) A unit that is taunted will attempt to attack the source for the duration, during which time they cannot control their own movement or attacks, and cannot cast abilities, activate item or use the summoner spells summoner 4 Flash and summoner 12 Teleport.

40 Comments

MrHaZeYo3 votes

I hate how rammus q is a channel now

Glamorous Rammus1 votes

Same. Now it's impossible to properly gank Bot because every support can drop a little CC. On top of that Rammus is crippled during his W.

Then they want to rub it in your face by making an update that increases his dance speed based on his Movement Speed????

HE HAS NO MORE MOBILITY! And I'm not building stupid ass Boots of Swiftness on him. IDC if it helps reduce the slow of his W.

Riot hates tanks. They always have and always will do everything in their power to keep AD champions OP- even if they have to ruin tank champs in the process.

BeatzBoyFTW1 votes

Riot hates tanks. They always have and always will do everything in their power to keep AD champions OP- even if they have to ruin tank champs in the process.

  • item 3076 item 3075

  • Garen got buffed.

What else.....

Glamorous Rammus1 votes

Cold Steel passive actually ruins Thornmail. [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

BeatzBoyFTW1 votes

It has both Grievous Wounds & Cold Steel. I don't see how an added passive can ruin anything. It helps to open his build path a lot more than crushing $$ to buy both Thornmail & Randuins together.

BlackFlux1 votes

problem is, cold steel lowers attack speed. Rammus relies on getting hit,so if you lower their attack speed you lower the DPS of both thornmail and rammus W.

BeatzBoyFTW1 votes

If OP implies that Thornmail's new passive ruins Rammus instead of Cold Steel ruining Thornmail, then it makes sense. So technically, my point still stands. Other than that, I'm sorry to noticed that.

Glamorous Rammus2 votes

It does both. Thornmail is a damage redirection item. It's counterproductive to hinder enemies from attack you.

Glamorous Rammus1 votes

I main Rammus, in case you didn't notice.

I like punishing punk ADCs who want to click once and harass with AA.

I loved coming down to a lazy enemy Jinx and watching her melt face.

Riot has a fat ant up their ass with tank-damage items.

Nerfed Bami's Cinder, then finally Sunfire Cape. Nerfed Rammus taunt by exchanging the damage reduction for Attack Speed. Now they want to make it so enemies Attack Speed is lowered when attacking against Thornmail?

I want the enemy to attack me as much as possible in the small window of time they are taunted. Cold Steel only relieves the target by forcing them to attack less.

As a Rammus main- I have watched as the most recent patches deliberately attack Rammus' play style.

People want to get all huffy and say shit like "Oh no now you can't just sit there and have enemies kills themselves"

But wtf is Riot doing about items like Runaan's, Cleaver, or other OP ADC one-click and kill items?

AHeroNamedHawke3 votes

Taunting Darius does not stop Decimate

Just because there are barely any moves in the game that function like Garen's E doesn't mean you're right

Glamorous Rammus1 votes

If Decimate is the 360 spin then yes it does. I've cancelled it many times with Rammus by taunting.

Critmaster Garen2 votes

well. realistically it should make him spin even more furiously. hes taunted after all.

Glamorous Rammus1 votes

When any other champion is taunted, abilities that prevent them from attacking are immediately cancelled.

It's quite futile to even upvote/downvote my posts.

Riot consistently takes my advice regardless of community opinion.

Critmaster Garen2 votes

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When any other champion is taunted, abilities that prevent them from attacking are immediately cancelled.

It's quite futile to even upvote/downvote my posts.

Riot consistently takes my advice regardless of community opinion.

garens spin is not a channeled ability.

it will keep running no matter what, similar to Rumble flamespitter or Singed poison or Swain ult Kennen ult Shyvana w etc.

fun fact, these abilities arent even canceled by Lulu polymorph or when the champion is eaten by TahmKench

tahm can run around with singed in his belly and it will look like hes leaving the poison trail.

whats really futile is complaining about a game mechanic thats not specific to him but affects many different champions, and has always worked this way.

Glamorous Rammus1 votes

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garens spin is not a channeled ability.

it will keep running no matter what, similar to Rumble flamespitter or Singed poison or Swain ult Kennen ult etc.

whats really futile is complaining about a game mechanic thats not specific to him but affects many different champions.

None of the abilities you mention prevent the champion from attacking. While Garen is spinning, he is incapable of basic attacks. EVERY other champion that uses an ability at the cost of being able to attack will stop casting to attack.

That's how taunts work!!

FORCES the enemy to attack.

Critmaster Garen1 votes

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None of the abilities you mention prevent the champion from attacking. While Garen is spinning, he is incapable of basic attacks. EVERY other champion that uses an ability at the cost of being able to attack will stop casting to attack.

That's how taunts work!!

FORCES the enemy to attack.

yes, it ques up an auto attack after the spin. because thats how the ability mechanically works.

if you right click an enemy during the spin, garen will attempt to auto attack the target after the spin ends.

and you answered your own question. hes incapable of performing regular auto attacks while the spin is active, while these other champions dont have that limitation.

garens spin is like Rumble flamespitter while at the same time it locks him out of auto attacking. the spin animation itself is like these other abilites that dont get interrupted either.

Glamorous Rammus1 votes

Rumble is still able to attack while spitting flames.

Takazaki2 votes

garen can use taimat during spin just like these champions abilities. he is not allowed to auto attack because it would be broken as all shit.

whats really futile is complaining about a game mechanic thats not specific to him but affects many different champions.

this really encapsulates why garen can spin during taunt

Glamorous Rammus1 votes

The issue is taunts.

Taunts force the target to attack. Garen's Judgement can be re-activated to be cancelled, and therefore should be cancelled when taunted.

Takazaki3 votes

Judgment is a point-blank area of effect.

Judgment is not a channeled ability so crowd control effects will not interrupting. Silencing Garen will prevent him from reactivating it early.

cherry picked from the wiki

read the bold, Its an AoE witha toggle effect. there is litterally no reason why a taunt should cancel this as taunt has no special properties to it.

further more ( again from the wiki )

Judgment is not a channeled ability so crowd control effects will not interrupting.

BeatzBoyFTW2 votes

It's quite futile to even upvote/downvote my posts.

No one asked. It just shows your idea is complete bullshit to many readers here.

Riot consistently takes my advice regardless of community opinion.

Self-proclaiming random stuff you thought in your head can be seriously depressing, you know. Plus, it doesn't act as a "boost" to show your thread can be anymore legit.

Critmaster Garen2 votes

by the way MonkeyKing ult acts mechanically 100% like garens spin with an added knockup and increased radius.

getting taunted is not going to stop him either.

Glamorous Rammus1 votes

That's not even true. Once Wu activates his Ult, he can't deactivate it.

Critmaster Garen3 votes

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That's not even true. Once Wu activates his Ult, he can't deactivate it.

go into practise mode right now and try it.

he can reactivate the ult to cancel the animation. the cancel has a 1 second cooldown after the ult is activated. same as garens spin.

Glamorous Rammus1 votes

I don't believe you. But if that's true Wukong should be affected the same way.

IF a champion is capable of stopping what they're doing to perform an attack THEN a taunt should invoke the attack by cancelling the other action

This is how a taunt is supposed to work.

Critmaster Garen2 votes

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I don't believe you.

then try it yourself for fucks sake. it takes 30 seconds to hop into the practise tool.

garens main form of attack is his spin, not his auto attack. so by forcing him to move towards you and spin on you, you successfully taunted him.

Glamorous Rammus1 votes

That's not attacking. It's casting.

AHeroNamedHawke2 votes

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That's not attacking. It's casting.

And it doesnt matter either way, since you have to be a confirmed dumpster to think Garen is any kind of problem

Glamorous Rammus1 votes

Do you know what Judgement does?

Lowers the Armor of targets hit.

Do you know what The Black Cleaver does?

Lowers the Armor of enemies hit with physical damage.

Do you know how Rammus works?

Redirects damage back to the attacker, scaling off bonus Armor.

Put all of this into consideration: Garen builds TBC, and casts Judgement. The damage from Judgement doesn't proc Thorns, but lowers the Armor. When Garen is done with his spin, now that the Armor of his target is completely brutalized, he can slap a Trinity Force Q and silence on his Target without any punishment from the thorns damage.

Garen + item 3071 + item 3078

Rammus OK

OH!! And btw Rammus used to have a counter for bullshit like this. His Puncturing Taunt used to lower the damage dealt by target. But not anymore.

Riot wants Rammus to be an assassin and it's bullshit. Especially since they nerfed his ganks and obliterated his mobility all together. THEN to add insult to injury- Riot comes out with another update for Rammus after his rework... What did they do agina??? Oh yeah- they made him dance faster the higher his Movement Speed...

[zombie-brand-facepalm]

AHeroNamedHawke3 votes

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<Brain damage>

WOWZER BOWSER A JUGGERNAUT WITH NO MOBILITY DUELS TANKS AS INTENDED

What the fuck do you think the point of the armor shred is? It's not like Garen can dash into the backline, he's designed to duel tanks. Do you think he should just have no armor shred? No MS boost? What will he do then?

Oh, and no Garen in their right mind is going to build Triforce, especially not on top of Cleaver. I was giving you the benefit of the doubt cuz its an obvious smurf, but you must actually be sub 30

Critmaster Garen1 votes

to clarify, im not arguing that it sucks for rammus and they need to keep working on him until hes in a good spot, but it sounds like youre mad that garens spin doesnt get canceled by your taunt.

Glamorous Rammus1 votes

I'm mad that Garen keeps getting free passes with bullshit.

He should go back to being a mana champion. THEN I'll be content.

Fuck- throw the man some more CC I know he needs it. But the balancing around Garen is just filled with crap ass exceptions to other champion's kits.

Critmaster Garen1 votes

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I'm mad that Garen keeps getting free passes with bullshit.

He should go back to being a mana champion. THEN I'll be content.

Fuck- throw the man some more CC I know he needs it. But the balancing around Garen is just filled with crap ass exceptions to other champion's kits.

its not an exception that he doesnt stop spinning.

do you still not understand, that the only exception is that hes incapable of auto attacking while the spin runs? because first of all, it would thematically make 0 sense.

second, he would deal significantly more damage if he was auto attacking while spinning.

when you taunt Shyvana does her burnout stop? no. the only difference between garens spin and shyvanas w is that hes not allowed to auto attack at the same time.

and when has garen ever been a mana champion? lmao.

Glamorous Rammus1 votes

HELLO???? Is there anyone home???

Garen does not attack during his spin. Therefore when he is taunted, the spin should deactivate so that the taunt works the way it's intended.

Using Shyvanna as an example just goes to show you can;t even read/ understand SIMPLE ideas.

Now go bring yourself to Facebook and share some Anti-Trump memes so your mommy can say you're smart some more.

Critmaster Garen1 votes

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HELLO???? Is there anyone home???

Garen does not attack during his spin. Therefore when he is taunted, the spin should deactivate so that the taunt works the way it's intended.

Using Shyvanna as an example just goes to show you can;t even read/ understand SIMPLE ideas.

Now go bring yourself to Facebook and share some Anti-Trump memes so your mommy can say you're smart some more.

the spin is not a channeled ability. it can not be interrupted by an enemy.

garen can cancel the animation himself. but so can wukong with his ult. its not something specific to him.

the same goes for Singed poison. youre asking the equivalent of his poison turning off when hes cced. he can do it any time himself but it will not be forced to cancel by cc.

its literally the same thig with garens spin animation. while he can cancel it himself it will not deactivate because of cc, just like singeds poison will not deactivate.

Glamorous Rammus1 votes

Stop bringing up Champions that still attack while their abilities are active.

You don't get to have an opinion here, Garen main.

TAUNTS FORCE TARGETS TO ATTACK. If you're able to attack, you do. It does not matter that Judgement isn't a channel, because it can be deactivated to attack. Therefore, when Garen is being forced to attack by a taunt then he should actually attack.

Critmaster Garen1 votes

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Stop bringing up Champions that still attack while their abilities are active.

stop ignoring the fact that its literally the same thing, except that garen is locked out of auto attacking. that is the only exception.

garens spin and and singeds poison work similar that they can be toggled on and off by the player. enemy cc will not force either ability to turn off.

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That's not attacking. It's casting.

yes, exactly. thats 100% what it is. hes casting the spin while the ability at the same time locks him out of auto attacking during the animation.

other abilities wont stop casting either just because you taunted the champion. the only difference is that these champions arent prevented from attacking while theyre casting.

if you issue an attack command during garens spin, he ques it up and attacks the enemy when the spin animation finishes. he will not interrupt the spin himself to attack when his player issues the command either.

Glamorous Rammus1 votes

stop ignoring the fact that its literally the same thing, except that garen is locked out of auto attacking. that is the only exception.

That exception is the only thing that matters. The way I see it, there are only two options to correct this issue:

Either: A- Garen's Judgement is cancelled upon being taunted so the taunt is correctly applied

OR

B- Damage from Judgement counts as basic attacks (Like Yasuo's Q) that way the taunt is still effective.

Takazaki2 votes

Judgment is a point-blank area of effect.

Judgment is not a channeled ability so crowd control effects will not interrupting. Silencing Garen will prevent him from reactivating it early.

cherry picked from the wiki

read the bold, Its an AoE witha toggle effect. there is litterally no reason why a taunt should cancel this as taunt has no special properties to it.

further more ( again from the wiki )

Judgment is not a channeled ability so crowd control effects will not interrupting.

mosaickle1 votes

I thought this was a joke post about Garen's spin being stopped by the emote taunt lol

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