Homophobic slurs every game- I'm done

Glamorous Rammus··9 votes·1,981 views

I'm tired of playing games and getting harassed by people. If the internet was properly policed most of your community would be rotting in jail for hate crimes. I'm tired of it. I shouldn't have to mute players every game I play. I shouldn't have to deal with the homophobic and racial slurs. Reporting players does nothing because they'll simply make a new account and keep harassing other players. I can't just play a game, and have fun? I have to be harassed and hazed for simple mistakes.. I just want to play a game- but if I make even the simplest mistake I get bombarded with BULLSHIT. Delete this post Riot, idgaf. I'm done with your toxic community, and I'm done with your piss-poor policies that commend this sort of behavior.

55 Comments

Pandemic Punch12 votes

Free speech is a beautiful thing. The same right that allows you to make hateful posts on gaming forums and call for millions of people to rot in cages, is the same right that allows people to make stupid jokes in a video game that annoy people.

ModPeriscope4 votes

Truth. While I appreciate the need to condemn hate speech, he goes a bit too far. I would also say that I don't see hate speech often, likely due to how severely it is punished.

Glamorous Rammus1 votes

My name is Glamorous Rammus. I get flamed often. Your name is Periscope. So people are less likely to flame you for being gay.

ModPeriscope3 votes

I didn't say these things don't happen to you. Rather, I offer an alternate account to show that the majority of the community is not homophobic as you have described it.

Glamorous Rammus1 votes

Do white people get called n!&&er? No. Well at least not as often as blacks. And when white people are called by that word- are they offended? No. Well at least not as strongly as blacks. If you're straight, you probably don't recognize the homophobic comments floating around like a non-heterosexual would.

ModPeriscope1 votes

I don't understand how being a certain race or sexuality makes me less attuned to seeing homophobic or ethnic slurs. I report them as any summoner should.

Further, I dispute your account that a vast majority of players use homophobic slurs. Riot has in place a zero-tolerance policy for players using hate speech, usually netting the perpetrator a 14-day ban.

J4 Ulted Mexico1 votes

No one knows you're gay until you tell them

Truly not Gay3 votes

And my name is Truly not Gay. Get over yourself. If you get so offended by being called gay then you have some serious issues. It seems to me that you are gay. If being gay is such a good thing then why do you get offended when people call you gay. You should take it as a compliment.

Jo0o2 votes

Free speech doesn't apply to video games, though.

OP is still super sensitive. Hate CRIMES? Give me a break.

Glamorous Rammus1 votes

You can't say whatever you want. Remove that illusion before it gets you in trouble.

Jo0o2 votes

Hate speech isn't hate crime. Calling hate speech a hate crime dilutes the severity of actual hate crimes.

You have the right to be upset or pissed off if somebody slings homophobia your way in an online game, but calling it a hate CRIME is ridiculous.

Glamorous Rammus1 votes

Freedom of Speech? How about reading the rest of the Bill of Rights. Namely the 5th. You do NOT have the right to say whatever you want. Hence laws such as:

  • Defamation of Character
  • Harassment
  • Hate Crimes
  • Perjury
  • NDA's

Before practicing your right to "free" speech you must first observe: You have the right to remain silent- anything you say can and will be used against you in the court of law.

I suggest you stay inside your house where its safe. You clearly do not understand the law.

Pandemic Punch3 votes

You preach about law as you threaten the ideology that millions of people should rot in cages for saying naughty things on the internet. :D

Glamorous Rammus1 votes

That's how the law works. You break it- you go to jail. Get an education.

Pandemic Punch2 votes

What? I just pointed out your contradiction. You essentially just told me that you would be throwing yourself into a cage.

Hahahahaha!!!

Glamorous Rammus1 votes

If I ever have to defend you in court I'm just going to say "free speech" and let's see how far that gets you. Don't be naive.

Evil Yasuo7 votes

Cry more. My suggestion is get off the internet if you're that thin skinned.

Winters Dawn5 votes

No matter what game or online related anything there is going to be toxicity. good luck finding something that doesn't

Glamorous Rammus1 votes

That's a justification. Humans have the capacity of choice. To dismantle the responsibility of choice onto the idea of offense is pretty near-sighted. So I should choose not to be offended- But these people are allowed to choose to offend?

This logic is terribly flawed.

Winters Dawn1 votes

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That's a justification. Humans have the capacity of choice. To dismantle the responsibility of choice onto the idea of offense is pretty near-sighted. So I should choose not to be offended- But these people are allowed to choose to offend?

This logic is terribly flawed.

Haha ok bud, this aint my logic this is fact. No matter what game you play or what internet group you are in THERE ARE JUST AS MANY TOXIC PEOPLE. Go to call of duty on Xbox there are toxic people. To to forums that aren't monitered and there will be people who yell cuss you out and tell you to off yourself. Yes humans have the capacity to contain themselves and their behavior online but THEY NEVER WILL. This is not my logic and it's not my opinion this is fact.

Edit; I did not say anything about you having to choose not to be offended. Putting words in my mouth for absolutely no reason.

AlienPrimate5 votes

Just so you know, you will never get arrested just for calling someone a name they don't like. Also, how is it even possible to get homophobic slurs "every game?" I almost never see anything like that. Are you coming into every game announcing that you are gay or something?

Glamorous Rammus1 votes

You need to learn the law. Here is a small list of crimes that entail "name-calling":

  • Harassment
  • Defamation of Character
  • Hate Speech
Lyndris1 votes

As do you, the first two, yes in certain circumstances are punishable. But no, hate speech is not punishable by law.

Glamorous Rammus1 votes

You should look up the laws, friend. Hate crimes are crimes that already exist- but with the added premise of hate. Calling names is harassment. Calling names based on derogatory remarks increases the severity of the crime. Hate Speech is indeed punishable by law.

Lyndris1 votes

Again, only in specific circumstances. That is really just splitting hairs, considering, harassment, is only considered as such when in a workplace and the "names" fall under protected "traits"

Glamorous Rammus1 votes

You have a lot of learning to do, friend. Harassment in the workplace is a specific. Harassment is more of a general. Harassment in general can be applied in any everyday situation. The only merit your argument holds is the lack of internet policing. On the internet people get away with behavior they wouldn't be allowed in the real world. People hide behind computer screens. Their insults are a product of their cowardice- To weak to say these things to a person's face. So they make themselves feel better by doing it from their computer. I know their type. Cowards.

Lyndris1 votes

Fair enough, legalities is far, far from my forte. I'm more an art or science person. And i'm sorry you've had to deal with this. Luckily my sensitive issue is not easily discernible through the internet. I'm not trying to make assumptions but due to the topic of the post... And I fully agree, the anonymity of the internet allows cowards to lash out in ways they would not normally be capable of. If you feel like it, add me, my club is growing rapidly, and we don't tolerate, well, negativity in general.

AlienPrimate2 votes

The only sort of name calling that might be punished by law is slander.

Glamorous Rammus1 votes

My extensive education in law begs to differ. Like I said- Name calling is harassment. It is hazing. It can be correlated into hate speech. Name calling where it isn't true is called defamation of character. All of these things are punishable by law. Again- research it for yourself if you want to argue.

AlienPrimate4 votes

I don't think any judge in the people's court or trial jury would find someone guilty of anything of the sort except extreme cases of slander, or as you put it, defamation of character. Even then, it would be rare that anything would come about from that. Have you ever watched tv ads during an election period? It is full of defamation of character. More than half of politicians would be in jail if you were correct.

Glamorous Rammus1 votes

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AlienPrimate1 votes

You'll be in a hung jury for a long time then. You will never get 11 other random people to agree with that verdict.

Binjo4 votes

Yikes

Binjo4 votes

Get this man a safe space riot

SecondAirbane3 votes

bye

YerroFever3 votes

The legal analysis displayed in this thread deeply disturbs me on so many levels.

  1. You have no right to freedom of speech on private property. League of Legends, the game and the forums, are private property of Riot. The first amendment says that the government shall not restrict without due process. Not "you can say anything and everything anywhere without consequence." Riot can censor you and also remove you from their private property as they see fit. Riot can chat restrict you legally for saying a homophobic slur. Riot can temp ban you legally for saying homophobic slurs. Riot can permaban you legally for saying homophobic slurs.

If you disagree with the above statements, please contact the ACLU in your area and have them explain freedom of speech.

  1. Crimes are crimes. Screaming and yelling homophobic things alone does not make the screaming and yelling a hate crime. It only becomes a hate crime if the motivation behind the crime is based in bias against a protected class in that jurisdiction. The legal definition of hate crimes vary per jurisdiction but in most jurisdictions, if the perpetrator was targeting the victim because of a perceived protected class, that means it is a hate crime. If the jurisdiction you live in has a separate crime for hate crime, it will be codified as such. It may be labeled a bias crime. Not all jurisdictions use the same titles but the concept is fairly uniform across all jurisdictions. See your own state's laws to determine which classes are protected.

An example:

Player Y calls Player X a f-g while believing Player X is straight and is trying to trigger them because of the perceived frail masculinity. Player Y systematically and continuously harasses player X in game with homophobic slurs. Assume that the level of harassment reached criminal levels. Player Y did not commit a hate crime. Charged with only harassment.

Player Z calls Player X a f-g because Player Z believes Player X is gay. Player Z systematically and continuously harasses player X in game with homophobic slurs. Assume the level of harassment reached criminal levels. Player Z has committed a hate crime. Charged with harassment with an aggravating factor of a hate/bias crime.

Both player Y and Z are awful people and both used hate speech but only player Z committed a hate crime. If this example did not clarify, please seek outside legal counsel for further explanations.

  1. The tools are there for you to help shield yourself from further harassment. They are not there to eliminate it because the only way to eliminate the harassment is to change the way someone thinks and behaves and that is significantly more difficult for Riot. The best they can do is punish those who commit offenses and hope they reform. Remember theories of punishment in crim law? The temp bans and chat restrictions are specific deterrents focused on rehabilitation. They are a cooldown period for the offenders. Permabans are both general deterrents and also attempts at isolation.

  2. This is the real world. You can't expect to be shielded from everything. The world is imperfect. The world has hate, bigotry, sexism, homophobia, etc... You just need to use the tools you have to cope with it the best you can. You shouldn't have to mute people because human decency should be supreme, but it's not. Riot can't make sure these people aren't punished unless you actually flag their accounts by reporting them. You actually do a disservice to yourself and to the community by not reporting.

Additionally, you don't have to mute them. You can leave them unmuted and just show them it doesn't bother you. That's really where the power comes from. If those people say terrible things and you demonstrate that it got under your skin, you have let them win. You gave that power to them. Take away that power and make them twist in the wind. Deny them the satisfaction of your anger and hurt feelings.

Leaf on Bush2 votes

Did you play the games on this level 15 account? Afaik the toxicity level among new players is actually the highest and yes it's probably because toxic players make smurfs when they got banned or they make smurfs because they can't progress anymore. They will then proceed to get mad at new players who don't know what they are doing. xD

I think this kind of harassment you describe is rather rare, but then again I don't play on low level accounts.

DoktorKaiser2 votes

Racist stuff should be permabanned instantly, I have seen many neonazzi people in game and they never get banned. Its a disgrace. As for homophobic stuff I havent seen much of it, except of course the usual, words like gay or %%%got being used as insults which they are so I dont care much about it, if it triggers you then you need to get a thicker skin or you will be angry for the rest of your life. And for the rest of insults, the only troublesome ones are insulting a person's family and murder threats, thats just sick and also needs permaban level. Yeah and "gg so easy" people can die from ebola for all I care.

Glamorous Rammus1 votes

I don't get triggered. I ignore it. But it's obnoxious to have to see it in every game I play. I try encouraging players. I congratulate great plays, and offer advice when I can. I use communication pings for their intended purpose. I'm not a skilled player, I know that. And I also know I get matched with players of the same ELO- meaning they are equally unskilled. It's preposterous to think that your team is holding you back- and even more so to harass them for mistakes in ways that don't pertain to the game. I'm tired of the justifications:

"grow a thicker skin" "ignore it" "mute them"

This is exactly what I'm talking about. Riot has a policy that commends this behavior. They support the community's justifications.

DoktorKaiser1 votes

People hate to lose. Everybody does. If you are bad and cause people to lose they will insult you because they are angry at you. In real life they can just tell you to fuck yoruself and fire you. Online nobody can fire you or do anything about your mistakes so they are extra frustrated and can only express themselves through words. What makes the difference in my opinion is whether they decide to go full retard with racial, family insulting, threats, homophobic stuff or they will just go with regular stuff such as insulting you and calling you out, telling you to uninstall and saying that you are a moron or even in worst possible tolerable case wishing you cancer and stuff. That is kind of where I draw the line between regular flaming that you can ignore and which should be penalized with chat bans then perma after some steps AND just sick stuff that deserves permaban instantly after 1 game.

ShinkoMinori1 votes

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Glamorous Rammus1 votes

This is exactly what I'm talking about. And all the people who came here to flame me for this concern. Stop being homophobic.

ShinkoMinori1 votes

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Glamorous Rammus1 votes

My sexuality isn't relevant to the game. I'm not a talented player- I WILL make mistakes. But to call out my mistakes with homophobic slurs is simply uncalled for.

General Esdeath 1 votes

Or you know, you can mute. But I think it's better if you leave.

pees0081 votes

and that's why i quit lol many times

Aneirin1 votes

This thread is a year old...

Summonah123691 votes

It's the internet, you're gonna get toxic things said to you, you can't change it. Did you just expect everything online to be sugarcoated and positive?

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