Healthy Assassins =

5050BS·Feb 15, 2016·2 votes·374 views

NOT being able to 100-0 someone at lvl 3, Not even 100-50 at lvl 3 is healthy

Assassins should have to have ITEMS and LVL to 100-0 someone and it should be late mid to late game when that can happen.

The game is in part in its so very bad state because of very early first bloods and that lane is not totally unforgivably lost because of the stupid timers and exp gains.

EVERY play should have counter play and counter play means PLAY not .5s

Late game yes deleting someone should be ok but too many assassins hit lvl 6 and can delete someone right away with starter items.

2 Comments

ZavionFeb 15, 20163 votes

So what you're suggesting is to make assassins useless for the majority of their game. Their only purpose is to delete targets, if you make them unable to do that then you kill the role entirely. Even if they're capable of doing it lategame, they would be so behind in the early game as they would not be able to perform their job properly, meaning they would be largely unviable.

Assassins being able to nuke people early game is fine, provided there is reasonable counterplay, which there is. It's called cc. Most assassins usually have to get into a very close range in order to be able to fully combo their opponent, putting them in an exceptionally vulnerable position with regard to cc. So if your reactions are decent and you're not a completely terrible player, that Zed, Talon, LeBLanc who just jumped on you should be a minimal threat provided you can keep your range and force them to use their mobility to close the gap with you rather than re-position to dodge your spells. As it means the liklihood of them dodging your cc is very low, meaning you'll win the trade. Easy.

67chromeFeb 15, 20162 votes

NOT being able to 100-0 someone at lvl 3, Not even 100-50 at lvl 3 is healthy

And assassin's can't do that ATM unless you let them.

Base damage on QWER rotations for just about everyone is 1000 @ level 18, where base HP is 2,000 @ level 18. Over the journey from ~500 HP to ~2000 HP that damage also starts out at ~60 and then gets ~55 base damage per level afterwards.

With AP you tend to need 150, 300, and 450 AP at ult ranks 1,2,3 to double your QWER DPS as well - and that holds pretty true regardless of who you look at. Including LeBlanc.

AD's tend to need less raw AD as AD is ~33% more expensive per-point than AP, and AP is much easier to amass in high quantities.

As-such: the goal of a 100%-->0% champion is usually to go mid-lane where you'll generally be up a level on your opponents (+~55 base damage vs. ~85 less target HP). Even with that: you also generally need to pure pure-glass to OHKO an opponent due to the damage investment necissary to pull that off, and you want to target an opponent that completely neglected any sort of defense. With most assassins their R is extremely vital to their OHKO potential as well, preventing many from landing a convincing killshot pre-6 without poking down their opponent to ~50% first.

A fed assassin with a significant item/level advantage can OHKO a tank, but a fed anything can cause you serious problems.

Otherwise assassins stay at 100%-->50% if you bother countering their damage with defense, and they can only generally OHKO an opponent that's made the conscious decision to avoid building any kind of defense at all to play a pure-squish champion. Going glass comes with it's draw-backs that you're, well, made of glass and need to play around that.