"You use squishy, easy to burst top laners, and that's why you hate and cry about Riven"
I am a top laner main.
Four of my favorite top laners are
,
,
, and
.
None of them are squishy at all. Vlad gains HP with his passive and he generally buy tanky AP items such as Liandry and Rylai. Fizz is not naturally tanky but he can be tanky when built AD. Hecarim is naturally tanky and that is unquestionable. Cho'Gath, well... has his ult.
There are also many other non-squishy top laners that I like to use, and they are actually the majority of the top laners I use:
and more recently I am starting to use
as a top laner.
That said, I still think that Riven should be changed. She is way too powerful, and I say that despite playing tanky champions who are supposed to beat her.
They are just supposed. On theory, tankyness should counter Riven. But the problem is that items like
,
, and
negate a lot of that tanykness. A good Riven will always rush those items if they notice that the enemy is stacking armor. It is always the same thing, for example, when I play Shen. I even start with armor quints; and win trades against Riven. But the moment she has Last Whisper, I can no longer win trades against her, no matter how much armor I have.
When people think about Riven, they say "burst damage" but Riven actually has a lot of sustained damage, enough to deal with many bruisers and tanks. This is because of her Q and her passive, if executed with animation cancelling. She will never kill a tank/buiser as fast as she can kill a squishy, but she can, and will negate their damage with her shield. Keep in mind that by purchasing armor/HP, you are sacrificing damage. If you don't actually have the damage to kill Riven before she kills you, then it doesn't matter how much armor you stack, she will kill you regardless.
That's why I like to play
against Riven, even though he is not one of my favorite top laners. He is one of the best because not only he gains even more armor the more armor you stack, but his offensive abilities actually scale with armor, allowing his damage to scale and allowing him to actually have enough damage to deal with Riven later. However, Malphite has other problems that make him not be the best pick against Riven. For example, apart from his ult, there isn't much that he can do to peel a Riven off a teammate. His Q is not of much help due to her dashes. And if Malphite has powerful AP champions as her allies, Malphite will have problems, since he is not very useful against mages.
I still think that Riven is too powerful and obnoxious, and that is not because she can 1-shot me. That's because no matter what I do against her, I am always feeling helpless.
I might have missed some but all of these can pass as tanks, bruiser, or supports and all have a cc or a way to save their adc which has a little cast time or in case of veigar can easily be used preemptively. Some of them need their ult sure but this is a supports job so ult is a small price to pay.
and a last 80 ad item would only do about 3500 physical damage. Note that this setup is highly offensive for a riven player and assumes last item IE, essence reaver, or extra BT where most riven players normally goes either a defensive item or BC. I can do this a bit more rigorous counting in fully stacked spell and blade weaving but I doubt it would amount to more than the defensive item the jinx will get and the less than full damage I used for the ult. Also remember that any adc is going to get shields, heals or whatever the support can give them to boost their tankiness making an instant burst less likely. A longer combo could maybe do it but that would make even more time for the adc to get peel.
)*1.03 (juggernaut) = 2830.44 hleath
If we now assume a fully stacked BC on her (which it will most likely not be) her effective armor against the riven with last whisper is (82.4 (base) + 9 (runes))*0.7 (black cleaver) *0.65 (last whisper) *0.94 (devestating strikes) = 39.09178
Making her effective health = 2806.44 * (100+39.09178/100) = 3936.90937783
or, god forbid,
there won't be a phase in game where your jinx will get to
,
or
), but her sustained damage is completely off the charts with low cds and ad shield to keep her in the fight. Also none of the aforementioned champs have this kind of hard aoe cc to guarantee that this burst lands.
Wins or loses his lane entirely by matchup, it takes a REALLY, ENORMOUS skill difference between the two players for Darius to lose a favorable matchup.
the feels
Main here, Riven is never a problem when i have to play against her, learn to play around her kit, Shes not that hard.
mid into
makes Riven miserable.
destroys Riven.
makes Riven miserable.
destroys Riven.
makes Riven Miserable.

