Sett W having such high base damage even without grit is incredibly frustrating.

PopcornBunni·1/23/2020, 4:51:26 AM·8 votes·5,860 views

I have no issue with Sett's W gaining damage from his grit mechanic, since it provides a semblance of counterplay against his kit that isn't "play ranged or die"

The issue is from rank 1 through 5, it deals not just true damage with its base, but has the highest single-hit base damage of any non-ultimate in the game (Karma next patch will have it tied, at 90 base magic damage for her Q). I could be wrong on this so don't jump down my throat if I am, but I believe the next highest base damage is either 80 or maybe a scant few at 85.

This is damage which can not be lowered, unlike playing around his grit damage by going for shorter trades, and, in a melee matchup, is damage which can't be avoided if he just uses the ability as a followup to his E pull+slow/stun.

It's just an obscene amount of damage, especially for the early game, where health pools even on tanks don't reach much past 700. Like okay you know how Fiora% health true damage is so bullshit? Imagine if they did 16% max health true damage level 1 (90/550), which becomes then unavoidable at level 2, 18% at level 4, and 20% at level 5. That is the base damage on his W max before his opponent has a chance to buy extra health and without any grit.

I'm fine with the counterplay to the grit mechanic, I really am, but it kind of defeats the point of needing to play around it when he's firing off true-damage Aurelion ults every 12 seconds without having to utilize his grit mechanic at all.

I guess the counterplay to the non-grit side of his W is "sit under tier 2 tower and wait for Sett to go oneshot your midlaner so you can farm without taking a quarter of your health in true damage"

22 Comments

XJ999999999999991/23/2020, 4:57:13 AM14 votes

if he's using his W, especially early, with no grit to harass you... you should be punishing him. it's his only surviability and he blows up without it.

Rapterminator 021/23/2020, 2:09:55 PM6 votes

Kled mounted Q does 90-390 base damage if it pulls.

Garen is adopted1/23/2020, 2:11:29 PM6 votes

you know you can really easy get out of true damage range right?

Rhai1/23/2020, 4:07:29 PM3 votes

Nid spear can do up to 210 base damage at lvl 1 and i'm not sure anyone else can beat that

Troll Slaiyer1/23/2020, 6:24:16 PM3 votes

it only seems high if the true dmg hits u. if he wastes his W he cant do anything threatening until hes 6

CapnMorganFr3man1/23/2020, 2:10:10 PM2 votes

{quoted} I guess the counterplay to the non-grit side of his W is "sit under tier 2 tower and wait for Sett to go oneshot your midlaner so you can farm without taking a quarter of your health in true damage"

Or you could just, yknow, DODGE the ability since it has a pretty slow windup time. The base damage for it might be a tad strong sure and, but all that needs to be done is shifting some of that damage into grit buildup. Besides that, it's a pretty fair ability considering it's his only reliable form of damage in his entire kit; Q is just an autoattack (it's been memed into oblivion how easy it is to kite melee champs,) he pretty much has to be standing next to you to land his E and it doesn't even deal damage, and his ultimate is going to remain one of the hardest abilities to land properly in the game due to his lack of repositioning.

AhhShucks1/23/2020, 5:36:46 AM2 votes

tristana W has 95 magic damage at rank 1

Agent Nark1/23/2020, 7:14:54 PM2 votes

u r not good :)

Sire Hippington1/23/2020, 10:20:40 PM1 votes

Sorry, but if you think 90-235 damage is the highest base damage, you really need to do more research. it's not even close Especially since it has no scaleing without grit.

Also, with it's CD and beeing his main defensive skill, useing it without grit means you have 12-16sec of easy tradeing vs him in the early game. Without grit, his W is really bad.