Anyone else benching Aatrox until his full rework?

Taliyah Rocks··12 votes·1,319 views

After crying for a while after his mini-rework and him getting a few buffs, his toplane winrate became somewhat decent (49%, still subpar, but viable)

But i don't care. He's not as fun as he used to be. He lost his passive attack speed, his reliable revive. He doesn't feel as fun as he used to be. He's a more boring, with a weaker kit, but with stronger base stats, version of what used to be Aatrox.

I don't see the point of playing him anymore, he used to be my main toplaner, now he's just a shadow of himself.

I'll cross my finger and hope is full rework will be a success.

32 Comments

Pierce The Veal2 votes

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After crying for a while after his mini-rework and him getting a few buffs, his toplane winrate became somewhat decent (49%, still subpar, but viable)

But i don't care. He's not as fun as he used to be. He lost his passive attack speed, his reliable revive. He doesn't feel as fun as he used to be. He's a more boring, with a weaker kit, but with stronger base stats, version of what used to be Aatrox.

I don't see the point of playing him anymore, he used to be my main toplaner, now he's just a shadow of himself.

I'll cross my finger and hope is full rework will be a success.

As an ex-Akali main, I recognize your pain, and agree.

I also used to wanted to pick up aatrox but didn't because he was weak. Saw the mini rework announcement and I was slightly hopeful that Riot could pull their shit together on this one. Then I saw who was mini-reworking him: RicklessAbandon, the same fucker that gutted Akali while never playing her, barely even playing league, and not responding to any commentary from Akali mains.

You have my condolences for your main. Let's hope the divers update fixes our champs.

TequilaZombie1 votes

Former Shaco main: Whenever I hear the words mini-rework my hearth stops for a second.

Riot is great at making full blown reworks, but add a mini in front of that and they just mess it all up.

Pierce The Veal1 votes

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Former Shaco main: Whenever I hear the words mini-rework my hearth stops for a second.

Riot is great at making full blown reworks, but add a mini in front of that and they just mess it all up.

Yep.

Well, not completely. Skarner Rework shivers.

TequilaZombie1 votes

Wait, Skarner rework was a full rework? All of his changes for me had the look of mini-reworks.

Fuck. Now I miss the 3 abilities + AA to stun.

Pierce The Veal1 votes

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Wait, Skarner rework was a full rework? All of his changes for me had the look of mini-reworks.

Fuck. Now I miss the 3 abilities + AA to stun.

Yep. Well, it was multiple full reworks.

The cooldown of all his abilities including his ult used to drop on autos, not just his Q. The second proc of his Q used to slow. Good times. But "perma slow is toxic," so they changed him into dominion.

Ashen Rider1 votes

No, both Skarner reworks were mini-reworks. A full rework includes improving the base model, as well as possibly the skins, and redoing the VO and story.

Zallamance1 votes

In the general sense, you 100% correct. However, we're on the internet, so people can be blinded by their opinion. TECHNICALLY, they could be saying full rework just means changing all of his abilities, where a VGU means that his model, lore, VO and skins are updated. I'm not saying your wrong (I agree with you personally), but telling people "no" on the internet tends to lead to stupid arguments. Just giving you a heads up

Ashen Rider2 votes

I suppose you're right. I was just giving, from my understanding, Riot's view of full reworks, but I could of course be wrong.

Pierce The Veal1 votes

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I suppose you're right. I was just giving, from my understanding, Riot's view of full reworks, but I could of course be wrong.

I have been around Riot's community since 2012. Several of my friends have been playing since 2009. We know what Riot considered a full rework at what time. Back then, that was a full rework. If it had happened now, it might not have been considered such.

Pierce The Veal1 votes

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In the general sense, you 100% correct. However, we're on the internet, so people can be blinded by their opinion. TECHNICALLY, they could be saying full rework just means changing all of his abilities, where a VGU means that his model, lore, VO and skins are updated. I'm not saying your wrong (I agree with you personally), but telling people "no" on the internet tends to lead to stupid arguments. Just giving you a heads up

At the time there was no such thing as a distinction between full and mini reworks. That has only recently changed. At the time, that WAS a full rework.

Zallamance2 votes

Not saying you're wrong, merely pointing out that someone will always think your opinion is wrong on the internet, and the more bold said opinion is, the more likely someone will comment to tell you that you're wrong. Ie: what is happening right now

Pierce The Veal1 votes

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Not saying you're wrong, merely pointing out that someone will always think your opinion is wrong on the internet, and the more bold said opinion is, the more likely someone will comment to tell you that you're wrong. Ie: what is happening right now

Fair enough. Doesn't bother me though. I'll be bold as I wish when I know/am confident I am correct.

Grift981 votes

{quoted} "perma slow is toxic,"

yet they still let things like nunu exist

Pierce The Veal1 votes

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"perma slow is toxic,"

yet they still let things like nunu exist

Mundo can do it too!

Bradley Dragon1 votes

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As an ex-Akali main, I recognize your pain, and agree.

I also used to wanted to pick up aatrox but didn't because he was weak. Saw the mini rework announcement and I was slightly hopeful that Riot could pull their shit together on this one. Then I saw who was mini-reworking him: RicklessAbandon, the same fucker that gutted Akali while never playing her, barely even playing league, and not responding to any commentary from Akali mains.

You have my condolences for your main. Let's hope the divers update fixes our champs.

still watches akali 1v4 his entire team

Pierce The Veal1 votes

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still watches a 20/3 akali 1v4 his entire team

Fixed that for you.

Because as she is there's no she can 1v4 unless she's fed and the enemy team plays it horribly

CrossbowRanger1 votes

TIBBERS Annie

Pierce The Veal1 votes

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TIBBERS Annie

Oh shit Akali is dead. RIP. Seriously though if you see Akali just pick Annie and watch her cry.

LadyRenly1 votes

{quoted}

As an ex-Akali main, I recognize your pain, and agree.

I also used to wanted to pick up aatrox but didn't because he was weak. Saw the mini rework announcement and I was slightly hopeful that Riot could pull their shit together on this one. Then I saw who was mini-reworking him: RicklessAbandon, the same fucker that gutted Akali while never playing her, barely even playing league, and not responding to any commentary from Akali mains.

You have my condolences for your main. Let's hope the divers update fixes our champs.

tbh I knew he was weak, and I usually lost, but that didn't stop me from trying him anyway. Only got about a month before they changed him. Even if this new one is "better" somehow I don't really care for it.

Pierce The Veal1 votes

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tbh I knew he was weak, and I usually lost, but that didn't stop me from trying him anyway. Only got about a month before they changed him. Even if this new one is "better" somehow I don't really care for it.

Well I did the same with Akali, but she just wasn't the same. I was still good with her, but for the same effort I felt I only got a tenth of the effect and I felt uncomfortable. So even though she is my highest mastery champion, I just don't feel like playing her anymore, because she's not the Akali I used to play.

Zallamance1 votes

Although it is different than how he used to be (I got mastery 7 on the old Aatrox so I'm going to act a bit pretentious when speaking about him, sorry), it's a step in the right direction.

The way things are going, he will either be reworked in a class update or a champion VGU. Since the next class update is already decided and will be coming out most likely in patch 7.10 (7.9 it will probably be tested on the PBE so whichever patch you prefer) and since there is about a 6 month wait time (last class update was preseason, patch 6.23) in between class updates, it will be awhile, an that's assuming that the next class update will include him, witch it may very well not.

Alternatively, he could get a rework. However, the time in between champion VGU's is about 5 months, going from the time in-between Yorick (6.18) and Galio (7.6). FURTHER HOWEVER is that the next two champion VGU's are already decided (Urgot next, then Evelyn) and the VGU take approximately 9-11 months to finish (Riot has stated this before, plus it's been rather consistent). Since work on VGU's only begins after one is complete, your looking at, at the very least, 14 months (based purely on the number given, not including any other factors) for his VGU to release, and that's only if they decide to give him a VGU next after Urgot.

The most likely thing is that it would be a class update since visually, his model it rather decent, his VO is alright and his lore is not out-dated, only his kit is on the bad side.

TLDR; Aatrox won't be changed (fixed) for about half a year at best

About his mini rework now. Although he is generally weaker and less exciting to play, he now has a distinct "FIGHT" mode, which makes him much easier to patch, alter and control in general. Yea, I loved the old Aatrox, and it kinda sucks that I have to play differently now, but he was very "feast of famine". Now, he has a lot more options for when he falls behind, and although he's become about as good in the jungle as Azir, the newest changes to him on the PBE should fix that, and make him viable again. To put it simply, the changes weren't the greatest for him, but it brought attention to a forgotten champion and it made him easier to buff/nerf without gutting him or turning him into an instaban. The reason why the old Aatrox was never getting any changes was because the slightest change could gravely or greatly affect him. It may put a bitter taste in your mouth, but the mini-rework was the best thing for him.

Bird Brains1 votes

I don't really think they touched him because they wanted more people to play him, just to keep the Aatrox OTP's Dreams/Memes alive.

Bradley Dragon1 votes

tbh all aatrox NEEDS is his q to have a 1 second. or hell even .5 second. untargetability

awdaf1 votes

I don't think many people were debating playing him any how.

Oelyk1 votes

Can't bench what you don't own!

(Shit he was my first 6300 Champ.)

Rockm Sockm1 votes

Zero reason to play him anymore.

Flat out massive nerfs without real compensation.

I'll keep him on the backburner till rework

Ralanr1 votes

Was there ever a reason to play him?

Meep Man1 votes

To have a serious edge over your opponent

Zephyrous X1 votes

Definitely ...no more of those ham 1v4s where you catch them off guard with his tripled healing. Right now he is just nothing... I'm disgusted with the changes.How the fuck is he going to jungle now? [zombie-brand-facepalm]

Asayake 5150glow1 votes

He's not that bad anymore, but to be fair I never tried his tanky build before and it might be the same.

Aaaanyway, Titanic is a really strong first item for him, you get a ton of burst and good dps, as well as being tanky. He actually feels stronger than before, too. A Renekton once tried killing me at lvl 1 and I actually fought him off in my own minions (then I killed him at lvl 2, because he took too much minion damage and we were both super low, then I E sniped him as he was backing off.)

Irelia Bot1 votes

Whats an 8tracks?

Frightning1 votes

I definitely miss old Aatrox , the new one feels janky as hell tbqh. I won't comment on it's balance state because I haven't played him pvp at all since the changes, but I know that old Aatrox was actually good if you understood how to play the laning phase as him (most people I saw play him did it wrong and sucked because of it). Legit I won lane like 90% of the time I played him top. Would max E first and split build item 3074 +lane appropriate defensive item (usually item 3143 or item 3065 ). He did tend to fall off a bit late game, but that was to be expected for such a strong laner and solid mid game fighter-tank.

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