My support wanted to play 
.
I checked his record, only game played with Ivern was a hour ago in a custom game. http://i.imgur.com/wXXMnRx.jpg
I am in my promo so I don't want a guaranteed loss, so I banned .
Guess what happened next? http://i.imgur.com/K0fbLef.jpg http://i.imgur.com/V15qy2T.jpg
HUMMMMMMMM, really a good idea to allow to be played in ranked.
Schàdenfreude25 votesAnother great idea Riot won't listen to until we complain for about nine months. [slayer-jinx-unamused]
WarlockLaw5 votesSome of us have been suggesting this for years. Pretty sure I've seen threads about this since before replays was a popular request. Issue is, these threads usually disappear after the first week or so of a champ release.
AlienPrimate1 votesThis is because after the first week or so the issue has already passed. That is the whole point. Disable the champion for a week after they come out and these threads would disappear entirely.
WarlockLaw6 votesI'd love it if they disabled the champion for ranked games, and made them unbannable in normal drafts. That way ppl in all normal queues can play new champs, and it won't fuck up ranked.
Bladerunner777715 votesoh, so now the new thing on the boards is to complain that riot doesn't do what we say fast enough?
pretentious brat
Biff Manly16 votesI think the point was that Riot ignored us for nine months on something that EVERYBODY agreed was a terrible idea, only to do a complete 180 this week and drop all of their bullshit stats defending dynamic queue, not that it didn't happen fast enough. Pretentious douche.
WolfBV24 votesThey decided to go Ivern support, so you banned Ivern. Great teamwork.
Opistach15 votesI think the main issues this thread is poking at, is that this player has one game of experience on Ivern. New champions that come out should be disabled in ranked for the fact that there is no way anybody is proficient with the champion yet unless they played him on PBE. PBE also is not the best place to actually practice the game either. There is higher ping, skillgaps, ETC.
Don't play new champs in ranked.
Best princess EU9 votesyou can play whatever you want in ranked as much as you don't troll, by trolling i mean refusing to win. As much as you try to win it's fine.
look at the summoner's code made by riot.
kile1479 votesIt's certainly allowed, but that doesn't mean it's polite. Playing a champion you've barely played means you won't be playing your best, and when you have 4 teammates who are counting on your best you are letting them down from the start. Combine that with Ivern support being an off-meta pick that would require even more experience with the champ than his normal jungle role, and it's pretty obvious that this guy just wanted to play Ivern his team be damned.
It Hertz When IP4 votesFor example, if I'm entering one of my promos (of which I basically would have to win 100% to avoid getting tossed into Bronze), I want a dedicated team of people willing to try their best (i.e. what the entire freaking ranked system is all about). Not some wahoo just learning a champion for which there are no online guides, no ironed-out builds, and for which no one else in the lobby can offer advice for or knows how to play with.
Dolasaur2 votesIf you shouldn't play a champion you're inexperienced with in ranked because it's rude... It's also rude to ban champions your teammates intend to play. Acting condescending towards people who don't meet your personal standards ("you don't deserve to play this champion because I don't think you have enough experience") is also rude. (And of course, trolling because you can't play who you wanted is also rude, whether or not you feel justified, lol.)
Last point, Ivern hasn't really been out long enough to have a strong meta. He may have been advertised as a jungler in the release videos, but all the replays I've seen of him were of support (like 10 or so), and I actually wanted to see him jungling :/
Bolt Up2 votesYou're arguing against your point here. If someone plays Ivern on PBE a lot, let them play him in ranked the day he's released. It will give this player a HUGE advantage that he should be able to exploit.
NiceTryVi8 votesNo. I've been a PBE tester since Kallista, and there is a huge difference between PBE play and live ranked play. In PBE, people are screwing around, and everyone plays with everyone. For all you know you could be playing in a game with diamonds and bronzes at the same time, and the objective is to break the game. In the PBE, you find bugs, you tell riot you found bugs, and then you go find some more, or you are testing different builds to see what works best. In ranked, you are trying to win because you have something on the line that matters to you. Play in the PBE =/= experience on the champion in the same way that play in normals or ranked does.
General Esdeath 2 votesBecause I want a champion who just came out played in my promos by someone who played ONE CUSTOM GAME with them.
rtbf7610927112 votesYou are a dick for banning your teammates champion regardless of how recently the champion came out or how bad you may think that champion is
why did you not include those other lines of what you said in the lobby chat? I'm sure it was just SUPER pleasant conversation lol..
Pyrophilia15 votesKinda agreed tbh. When someone bans my pick intent when I pick an unorthodox support, I instalock LeBlanc.
I still buy sightstone and do my best, but screw you, buddy, you're laning with a LeBlanc. Orianna support suddenly not looking so bad, is it? Well, too fucking late.
EDIT: Lmao downvote all you like, but the fact remains that intentionally banning someone's pick intent is griefing, much more so than picking a pick someone doesn't approve of.
Xion The XIV5 votesWhat are you talking about? Leblanc support will destroy squishies once she is a little ahead. If she is behind you are nothing but food to anyone on you, but ahead everyone else is food for you.
Pyrophilia1 votesWell, yes, but she doesn't offer much to the adc. She just offers damage, but you are successful only if you snowball. You do that by getting kills that your carry isn't then getting as a result.
I'm not saying that a kill lane with lb support can't work; the point is she's far less support-y than many other unorthodox picks, so it serves as a statement, but it's of course still not reportable as long as you do your best and actually play the role i.e. buy sighstone.
Supreme Senpai692 votesTotally do that shit in normals if they ban your intent. Whenever they ban my Lulu 'cuz lulu is trash be braum,' I pick off meta as hell. Still play to win of course, but a little trolling is healthy to the game too.
In ranked? Yes, I'd ban your orianna support too. Ranked oddly enough isn't for fun or cheese or off meta, just about seeing how good you are.
Pyrophilia2 votes[{quoted}](name=Revan Senpai,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=FsmEatBU,comment-id=00060000000000000000,timestamp=2016-10-07T11:08:01.299+0000) In ranked? Yes, I'd ban your orianna support too. Ranked oddly enough isn't for fun or cheese or off meta, just about seeing how good you are.
See THIS precisely is the problem, because I, for instance, successfully play a very mean Ahri support, but never have I not had someone scoff, regardless of it being normals. In ranked, people bitch at me all the time for going Lux support, but she LITERALLY carried me through pure solo queue from Bronze 4 all the way to Silver 1 (as peak this season). My average KDA on her across a fairly large sample of games is no worse than for my Zyra or Karma. In fact, I even do slightly better than on Karma, the meta Head Bitch of Bot.
The point being, even if it's ranked, champions don't lose lanes; players do. So banning a pick intent just because you don't approve is straight up griefing and I will make sure to not pick in the direction you want me to, but exactly the opposite. Ban my Lux because you want Soraka? You're getting Brand; should've went for dem shields and cc. The best part? Not reportable.
[slayer-jinx-wink]
(As an aside, once I let my team bait me into picking Leona because they wanted a tank and I warned them that I'm not very used to her as I play mages. The lvl 7 lb and the lvl 7 Ez flamed me all game for being bad and missing e despite having been told that I don't have the champion's mechanics in my muscle memory and despite basically doing it to indulge THEM. I ended up with a better kda than either of them, too, and they didn't carry on their super-amazing mastered champs. Never did that again, nor will I.)
Iesbian3 votesHoly shit the meta humping is disgusting.
Unstoppable Monk2 votesWhat are you talking about? Leblanc support will destroy squishies once she is a little ahead. If she is behind you are nothing but food to anyone on you, but ahead everyone else is food for you.
You just described every single AP mage fake supports that won lane.
Maximum Morde2 votes99% of your problems are solved by not using pick intent.
Nami in Bush2 votes[{quoted}](name=Warden of Ionia,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=FsmEatBU,comment-id=00060000,timestamp=2016-10-07T06:29:46.211+0000)
Kinda agreed tbh. When someone bans my pick intent when I pick an unorthodox support, I instalock LeBlanc.
I still buy sightstone and do my best, but screw you, buddy, you're laning with a LeBlanc. Orianna support suddenly not looking so bad, is it? Well, too fucking late.
EDIT: Lmao downvote all you like, but the fact remains that intentionally banning someone's pick intent is griefing, much more so than picking a pick someone doesn't approve of.
If you aren't intent feeding, you should be able to pick whatever you want. I got a Rumble support in Diamond, thought about dodging, didn't dodge, and I won. Riot has said themselves you aren't forced to do what the meta is, otherwise that limits what you can play and overall decreases the amount of fun to be had. I used to do Bard/Teemo double jungle, 66% win rate teemo jg over ~15 games and I had a 70% win rate with bard jg. AD Brand jungle is fun, too. Kat support has a +50% win rate.
Unstoppable Monk7 votesHow to tell if the person actually plays the new champion properly:
Step 1 - Ban the new champion. Step 2 - See if mad or not. Step 3 - If not mad and doesn't troll the game, probably knows how to play new champions.
Blastires56 votesHow to tell if someone is a witch:
Step 1- chain her and push her into the water. Step 2- See if she dies or not. Step 3- If she dies, she was innocent.
Friendly Ram10 voteswitches are made of wood so they float.
Captain Aishi7 votesand since they are made of wood, they also burn very well!
Mister Modesty6 votesDon't ban your allies' champions. You lost that match before it even started. Maybe you should look up the word "teamwork".
The Deckowner8 votes"if you don't let me first time Ivern support in ranked I will troll!"
Maybe you should look up the definition of terrorism.
Mister Modesty3 votesBy that logic, nobody would play Ranked. There's always a first time.
The Deckowner4 votesby that logic, you should practice in normals then play your skilled champion in ranked.
Good Girl Melody2 votesI'm not saying that with that Ivern build he would be good, but what about the handful of people who can pick up a champ and be great with them? Like my first time Ivern I went like 2/2/25 or something lol
Zoeeee3 votesFeels green man. [zombie-nunu-bummed]
The Deckowner2 votesgood one lul
Zoeeee4 votes[{quoted}](name=The Deckowner,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=FsmEatBU,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2016-10-07T05:04:20.618+0000)
good one lul
I'm not sure what to think about Ivern right now. I think it will take a few patches to get him into a good place. I think he is the same as 
in the sense that they both are very tilted towards, casual or competitive play. Sure making bushes is funny, and new, but how impactful is it when they have a 
or 
jumping on your adc.
The Deckowner4 votesChampion.interaction of this champion is completely broken. Q ccan give immobile champions like Darius a free dash toward enemy. W's bush not only triggers tons of champion's passive(rangar, teemo, khazix, etc), but it also BLOCKS VISION, that migght seem small but it is actually a huge deal. His E has 70% aoe slow at rank 1, IIRC the strongest rank 1 slow in any ability. His ult has a freaking 3 hit passive(wtf another?) that gives mini braum ultimate and can be used to tank tower baron and dragon, making objectives super easy to be taken. With such overloaded kot I will.not be surprised to see him be gutted into Kalista state.
Iesbian2 votesCongrats, you can look at a kit like everyone else.
But since you are so afraid to play with or against him while you spam ranked you haven't even seen him in action. He's quite weak, easy to deal with, and everything is quite telegraphed so it's easy to dodge.
Maybe if you stopped banning him all the time you'd know this.
Xion The XIV2 votesI love fighting Iverns. I main Skarner and when I see an Ivern I gladly help them to my team since he has no escape except hoping a minion or Jungle monster is near them. His shield is easy to dodge. Late game he doesn't almost nothing. Wait for his shield to be on cool down and just win an easy 4 v 5.
NotSpecialDude3 votesHonestly there really isn't a "side" I want to be on. Its pretty clear that most players bring the new champs into ranks upon release in the hopes that their kit would be different enough to catch people off guard. (Here's a hint: it won't) But at the same time, outright banning his champ when you could have simply asked him to play something else or brought up your concerns kinda puts ya in an unforgiving light.
I'm not justifying anyone's actions, he was a jerk to go troll over this and deserves any sort of ridicule, but it was a dick move to ban his champ without warning.
the weeaboo1 votesThis is the part where you dodge. It's only 2 LP dude.
crippler381 votesI mean I'd like to think if you could play morgana you could play ivern. Very similar shield and root which are the only things that require more than basic decision making that ivern has that would make him remotely difficult.
I mean if that guy is at your elo you should trust him to be able to at LEAST play ivern properly, he's nowhere near anything that would take more than a game to understand and he could of played on the pts too.
The Deckowner2 voteshttp://na.op.gg/champion/ivern/statistics/support
Ivern support has 26% win rate. It is literally trolling.
crippler381 votesit's not trolling if you're trying to win though, it really depends on the team comp but it has potential since he sets up basically free juggernaut engages, his golem can bodyblock and tank nonsense, his shield is strong for engages and his passive on the bushes makes him really good at poking people and early game fights since he hits harder than pretty much everyone by default.
He also can spread buffs around to make early game even better, late game he has the strong engage and daisy gets really strong too!
Honestly I get the feeling that he's better as a mage support since daisy gets tankier with ap and he has pretty good scalings on his abilities. That might be a part of the issue.
The Deckowner2 votesif you try to win, you won't be playing a champion that is brand new and you have no experience with.
crippler382 votesthat's the thing, they could have experience with ivern, and his kit isn't anything that difficult to grasp!
I know you looked up his account but that doesn't say anything about PBE time, and on top of that there are people like me who happen to be able to mostly pick up on champions and play them to about the same skillcap (in other words terribly, I'm terrible but I can understand what my champs do after looking at em for a few minutes at most) and on top of that there are at least a dozen videos on the guy that they could of watched!
I'm just saying that they could have enough experience to understand the champion and what they can do and that assuming does nothing good.
Granted locking in kat support isn't the mature thing to do, neither is not trusting your team.
DarkRitual1 votesI've got Morg at level 7, and a pretty good understanding of her. Ivern is so very much different to play (I managed to get him my first three games on his release day [normals, not ranked] including one as LAST pick in draft). His bind may be similar, but literally everything else about him is so far different from her.
crippler382 votesI was referring to the bind and the shield, that's 2 similar abilities.
Rest of him is totally different but just from playing morgana you can get used to HALF his kit, which considering the rest of his kit is a passive with a bush and a basically tibbers it's not that hard to get if you've played morgana.
Reason I mentioned her is her bind and his root are super similar and his root is the only thing in his kit that's a skillshot, rest of it is decision making, which you won't get that much better at playing ivern more really.
I know I repeat myself a lot but I'm just trying to say that characters in league for the most part aren't that difficult to do decent with if you understand how to play with similar abilities.
I can give an example actually, granted I'm in potato elo and your mileage may vary but people I play with are at my skill level, when I first played thresh after I started to understand the game some more on a free week, I did pretty well with him. I wasn't godlike amazing omg wtf (remember I'm not great at the video game) but I could understand him and play him at a level that worked with my skill level because I understood how his abilities worked through seeing him on videos and through playing similar champions with similar hook like abilities.
I'm saying (repeatedly I know, and I apologize that I'm so long winded and rambly but that's how I am) that drawing upon past experiences is how we succeed and banning something you know your friend wants to play because you don't trust them to try their very best and do well is just ridiculously rude.
I once again would like to say I don't condone the kat pick and find that both the OP and the person in question to both be acting like hmm, like instead of teammates they're arguing like siblings. You know where one sibling takes something away so in return the other sibling does something else to be annoying and it just cycles from there? That's not a good way to act with people ya know?
