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its not just jhinn, but also miss fortune, lucian and quinn.
Miss Fortune is not a problem with this build, she's strong, but not too big of an issue.
Lucian? After his nerfs? Fuck off, he's not even remotely a problem.
No, Quinn was a problem when she could stack maw and sterak's. Her often building Black Cleaver and Youmuu's together is not an issue. Quinn isn't suddenly a problem just because she counters Garen.
and as long as the possibility of this build exists, it will keep popping up over an over just like the fucking bruiser assassin/adc builds did. they nerfed those builds by at least letting maw and steraks not stack anymore. which was an actual nerf for fighters as opposed to this.
In what world is forcing, say, Wukong into having to choose between Youmuu's and BC not a nerf for him, as an example?
You're insane if you think this won't nerf a lot of champions.
whos next with this stupid korean build? varus? jayce? theyre both pretty good candidates for abuse of these items.
We can only hope, considering that Varus is poopy dog shit on any given patch. As opposed to Jhin and Lucian, two champs who were already quite strong but grew out of line with these builds.
Jayce already stacks youmuu's, BC, and LW in most games and he's not a problem.
so is cait with her long ranged headshots.
No, she's too reliant on crit and attack speed.
and ive seen ghostblde/duskblade/last whisper on draven recently aswell.
And? It's a build you take to snowball hard that falls off late game and it's on one of the least safe marksmen (it's also not as reliable as a typical Draven build).
having that much stackable armor penetration is a systematic problem. you can either nerf the champions around a build that shouldnt exist, or you can just get rid of it. armor as a stat shouldnt be possible to be made worthless.
Someone who stacks that much armour penetration is countered by health . Sure, they're making armour much less effective, but in the late game your health is going to make it much harder for them to hurt you than a more typical ADC build is.
and of fucking course 5 armor pen items is the highest win % build on talon. it lets him assassinate and 1v1 anyone, even champs he shouldnt be able to fight too easily. that doesnt mean this is a healthy build.
List of champions a Talon with that build could not 1v1:
(Well, maybe he could now, Tahm is kind of shit)

There might be more, but I'm almost positive about most of these.
But sure, he might actually be able to 1v1 Garen with this build (though I kind of doubt it, the lack of combat sustain makes it unlikely). Garen's a much shittier duelist than you'd think though.
talon is looking at a large scale rework aswell, so this would be the perfect time to get his dependency on a full armor pen build out of the way, and have him function without a cheese build.
Lol, were you not even paying attention to pre-season? Armour penetration is meant to be one of the core AD assassin stats. Talon isn't just good when he stacks armour penetration, he's meant to stack it.
No, Talon and Zed building crit was them using cheese builds.