Can Irelia stop fkn stunning people at full hp?

And Irelia vs. Yasuo is a joke.... Yasuo can't handle her... Camille can win it WITH a gank...

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I can agree with Jayce and Ryze. The other 3 all depends on who you're playing. xd

It doesn't really matter what you're playing when they can just pick on your team at their leisure. Did you by any chance see what have Vi and Camille achieved in lcs games so far? Especially Camille, who now has above 90% ban rate and 100% win rate.

If Irelia's stun punishes them for doing well, her E punishes her for doing well.

You can't make one of those stupid arguments without making the other.

Liss isn't a good argument for Irelia and neither is mao. However both are kind of strong in their own regards. Liss' snare being AOE and Mao's having %hp tacked onto it.

Panth however is a really good comparison stun to stun balance.

Panth's stun is only one second at all ranks (one point wonder) Irelia's is 1 sec stun scaling up to 2 sec at max rank making her choose between maxing E or Q second.

Panth's is point and click and doesn't matter how low you are or he is, Irelia has a point and click that requires her to have even or less % hp than her target.

Panth's stun also refreshes his passive making it great for trading Irelia's is just a stun

Both panth and irelia's stuns deal magic damage granted at max rank irelia's stun does 90 more damage.

TLDR: both panth and irelia have very comparable stuns and they work well with their kits.

I can break down the comparison between riven and irelia too if you'd like.

Or you could just have a psychological damage battle and try to get her to E you with less hp than her.

[{quoted}](name=Against Fate,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=FpywYlXh,comment-id=00020004,timestamp=2017-01-22T18:21:37.354+0000) Nothing wrong with having 5 defensive items and healing 4/5 of your hp with Q while your AD is higher than your adc and you keep using your R on everyone just because its stupid true damage IMO

His Q heals 12% missing health per champ hit, max of 3 champs. This means in an unrealistic scenario, Darius gets a Q off at literally 1 hp with Spirit Visage, hits three of them, and heals 45% (36 * 1.25).

Now the reality of it is the Darius, anticipating his windup time, will Q much sooner than 1 hp (We'll say 20% or so), and the enemy team is for the most part smart enough to not stand in the deathtrap we call Darius' range. He catches out one or two of them, and heals maybe 10-15% max. 20% if he's extra-lucky. This is also assuming the enemy mid/adc didn't build the appropriate penetration stats and explode him with them.

Secondly, he only gets his AD from proccing Noxian Might. So either don't let him proc it, or if he does, stay out of his range for 5 seconds so it wears off. If you engage on a Darius while he's already got his passive proc'd, you only have yourself to blame when he rips your head off.

Thirdly, assuming the Darius is level 18, an entire third of his ults damage comes from Noxian Might. Let's do some quick math again.

Darius ult at rank 3 only does 300 (+75% bonus AD) true damage at its base. Each passive stack adds 60 (+15% bonus AD). Realistically speaking, most Darius players will build Black Cleaver as their only damage item, and have AD runes to add another 10 or so. So if he ults you at no stacks he'll do roughly 345 damage. This sounds like a lot, especially for true damage, but let's also consider this is lategame, where the mid and ADC can explode you from much higher health.

Now let's say he proc Noxian Might, on the other hand. The 5 stacks add 60 (15% bonus AD) damage each, and proccing Noxian Might at level 18 grants 200 Bonus AD. The stacks add 300 and the AD another 300, this is how he hits those monstrous near-1k ults.

But what if he only has time to hit 4 stacks? Well now he doesn't get the 200 bonus AD from Noxian Might, meaning not only does he lose out on Q/auto damage from the missing AD, but the missing bonus AD takes a full 300 damage out of his ult. 4 stacks vs 5 is huge on Darius. Especially since once he DOES proc Noxian Might, he only has 5 seconds to rip someone's head off, or he has to start all over.

What I'm saying is yes, Darius is tanky, and yes, he can hurt, but much unlike the mid and ADC, Darius has some serious buildup-time to reach his full potential (especially mid-teamfight where he's liable to get bursted down). And given how kitable he is, that's what balances him out.

TL;DR Darius' damage is almost entirely reliant on his ult, which is almost entirely reliant on his passive, which has a significant buildup time. He's also extremely kitable. Also his heal isn't nearly as strong as one would think if you math it out.

No, but since I describe the experience fighting against her, I don't know why that really matters. Granted, I exaggerated about the lack of strategic value of her kit. There are tricks to pull off for Irelia like preparing minions for the Q reset and stuff like that.

But if you fight against her, there is no way for you to deny a part of her kit. If I play against Fiora, I can deny her hitting my vitals with right positioning and I can deny her stun by baiting her parry out and use my own cc when it is down. Playing against Poppy I can deny her her shield by walking over it and I can deny her stun by position myself that way she isn't able to hit me against a wall.

Meanwhile there is Irelia. I can't deny her her Q reset since I have no way to execute my own minions. I can deny her her stun.... by letting her outdamage me. That's not an attractive option for me. You see what I mean? There is not much in her kit I can play around.