I just ignited one a bit ago ago and he just presses W and still gets half his health bar back. Is this the same design team that was calling healing anti-fun when the Soraka rework dropped?
RyzenLord30 votesIt sure was fun laning as tf against him. He misses q e autoes me 2 times and hits a w. I'm at 1/3 hp and he's 2/3 after missing all but a targeted spell. His w shouldn't also be an execute if he's going to get a massive heal on it as well. Put the execute on his q if he has to have it.
Saevum13 votesHis W should not be point and click to begin with, it offers too much reward for how easy is to use.
DeusVult3 votesIts not technically a point and click, its an auto-steroid. It simply applies its effects to his next auto, similar to Nasus Q or Darius W
Bârd20 votesWhat? No it isn't.
It's just a spell that resets his AA timer. If it actually was an AA, it would apply his passive.
Bârd8 votes"Make it a skillshot" isn't a solution.
Has Ryze taught us nothing?
The limiting factor is that it has terrible range and requires one of you to be low to be at all useful.
Ralanr2 votesMaking it a skillshot just gives him another free dash to use as an escape though.
Sylas1 votesIt sure was fun laning as tf against him. He misses q e autoes me 2 times and hits a w. I'm at 1/3 hp and he's 2/3 after missing all but a targeted spell. His w shouldn't also be an execute if he's going to get a massive heal on it as well. Put the execute on his q if he has to have it.
okay, first off, i would love to see a clip of this second, he has to be on top of you to proc it, he cant use as sustain due to that fact thirdly you are ranged and he is melee with serious mana demands. you can aa harrass him for free. fourthly, sustain champs arent suppost to have a better all in than an all in champ
if your playing tf use him for the one thing hes good at shove ult to side lane yellow card
as for point and click, name 1 ability heal that isnt point and click,
i could complain about how you get a ranged point and click stun ever 3 or 4 seconds at level 3
RyzenLord1 votesTwisted fate damage is hilariously low early. It would take 3-4 combos without items and him not healing to kill him due to how tanky and how much mobility he has. He can e when i hit the stun, then heal after my combo is done and outdamage me because he has sustain/shield.
as sylas you act like he doesn't have a threat range. He doesn't need to max q or e in the matchup. He can max w and outdamage me while sustaining hard. That's the issue. In a 1v1, no matter how hard he messes up his combo, as long as he hits his w below 40% hp, he's going back up to 2/3 hp.
Also comparing tf's stun to sylas. Sylas gets a knockup on his that has more range and can't be mitigated by tenacity. Tf stun is short range and mitigated by tenacity.
Akali pre nerf had a non point click heal, but the point was sylas w is an execute too. He maxes it first into easy matchups and can't be shoved out of lane or killed without huge jungle pressure.
Wolfeur18 votesSelf-healing for a melee bruiser is not the same as ally healing for potentially anyone. Soraka's issues are totally different…
Tundra Hunter16 votes
my healing is OP!
hold my beer
łnśane8 votesSylas healing is cancer and could use some adjustments? Better nerf akali [slayer-pantheon-popcorn]
Wild Geese7 votesThe healing is really lame, especially given its a point and click, and he has a self shield?.
A point and click healing + a self shield- that's annoying to trade around.
But yeah, he's not too op at all, I'd just rather he lost the heal. Give him a better Shield, more HP, a little better CC. I can live with stuff like that, but a point and click heal is all on Sylas' agency and punishes you for hurting him. Old Irelia was a bad champ that was remade for a reason.
Seenan2 votes[{quoted}](name=Wild Geese,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=FoH5L6TF,comment-id=0012,timestamp=2019-02-13T19:25:29.024+0000)
The healing is really lame, especially given its a point and click, and he has a self shield?.
A point and click healing + a self shield- that's annoying to trade around.
But yeah, he's not too op at all, I'd just rather he lost the heal. Give him a better Shield, more HP, a little better CC. I can live with stuff like that, but a point and click heal is all on Sylas' agency and punishes you for hurting him. Old Irelia was a bad champ that was remade for a reason.
It's too much. I'd rather just the shield than a heal for 10% -> 50% hp at higher levels/AP
Paletongue6 votesIs this the same design team that was calling healing anti-fun when the Soraka rework dropped?
Funny enough, it isn't! RiotMorello was the Lead Champion Designer that said healing is anti-fun, and he is no longer in that role.
Boatwhistle4 votesI gave a suggestion to turn the heal portion of Sylas's W scale with bonus HP along with the shield on his E. This way Sylas would need to carefully balance his build between damage, survivability, and mana more so then he does currently. This way just building something like a Ludens echo would get him mana and damage but his heal and shield would be lacking... ensuring he will die just as quickly as he can kill. Building something like a proto belt would give him a better heal with some dmg a bit earlier mind you but he wont be able to stick around thanks to needing mana. The best way to get all these would be a rod of ages, and that ensures he wont be such an issue for the 5 or so minutes it takes to start getting efficient. Point being he would need to decide what's more important early on and perhaps they could even adjust him to be stronger overall for it. Sadly that post fell into disinterest either way.
DeusVult4 votesI think that Riot will start to even out Sylas, he is still fairly new and Riots in house balance testing has never been good.
For starters, I think that they should pick if he is going to have either A. strong damage or B. strong sustain/mitigation. Because atm he excels in both. He has a very strong shield with 90%AP scaling and a second cast which deals ok damage. His W can be both an execute nuke (180 +55%AP or 270+82.5% if below 40%) and a huge self heal (190+35%AP or 285+52.5%AP if he is below 40%)
Large heals + large shields + large damage tend to make the champ problematic, as every time you think you have them, they mitigate you burst and heal back to full while chunking you. For me personally, I'd like to see power taken from W+E and added to his Q
Ahris1 votesHe is a melee that uses mana who cannot build tanky and has no escapes. His early is also very average and not as strong as many champs.
I think it is fully justifiable for him to have good sustain. Think like Ekko.
Seenan1 votesHe is a melee that uses mana who cannot build tanky and has no escapes. His early is also very average and not as strong as many champs.
I think it is fully justifiable for him to have good sustain. Think like Ekko.
Has no escapes? I can assure you, he has plenty of mobility to invoke an escape. Ekko doesn't have 'sustain' until level 6. I don't think any AP assassins have any kit/non-ult healing right now, except Sylas if we call him an assassin.
Steelflame2 votesSylas only has mobility INTO a fight other than a very small E dash away. The only way he has escapes is generally if he steals one from the enemy's ult.
Ahris2 votesEkko has both engage and disengage ulti. His e cd is also lower than sylas's dash cd.
NSFWaifus4 votesYeah he is another mid laner with a great heal move in his kit. Akali had her's removed tbh Sylas should have his removed too if that's gonna be the case.
Steelflame2 votesThe difference is the conditions of those heals. Sylas only heals in champ combat. Akali healed while waveclearing minions or champion combat, from a longer range too.
If you play Sylas mid and vs a Xerath for instance, good luck ever getting one heal off without blowing flash, dashing in with E1, and landing E2 to get in range. Range that is almost without a doubt under his tower.
Serika Zero3 votesNop, actually xerath will get close to you or minions to auto attack to regain mana as his spells cost a lot.
So, unless you are really stupid and push 24/7, wondering : why do the enemy junglers keep camping me.
he will not be under his turret for that long. also akali had to be at close to full energy to get q heal and it wasn't a burst heal either.
Paroe3 votesIsnt it amazing how scaling sustain works?
Maybe you should take a nice long look at other scaling sustain. Like Fiora. And Riven. And maybe even good old warwick. And lifesteal.
Anime Fizz27 votesIsnt it amazing how scaling sustain works?
Maybe you should take a nice long look at other scaling sustain. Like Fiora. And Riven. And maybe even good old warwick. And lifesteal.
Riven has 0 sustain on her kit lmao.
And half of sylas E is riven E whole ability.
Imagine if riven E also gave her 500 health per cast on top of the shield, then she would be on par with a new champion kit!
Paroe3 votes[{quoted}](name=Anime Fizz,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=FoH5L6TF,comment-id=00010001,timestamp=2019-02-13T09:39:07.473+0000)
Riven has 0 sustain on her kit lmao.
And half of sylas E is riven E whole ability.
Imagine if riven E also gave her 500 health per cast on top of the shield, then she would be on par with a new champion kit!
Shields are considered 'sustain' to my knowledge. Sylas's E isnt even the heal... Do you know what Sylas does?
Anime Fizz26 votesShields are considered 'sustain' to my knowledge. Sylas's E isnt even the heal... Do you know what Sylas does?
His E is a shield, the W is the heal.
The point is that he has that gigantic heal ON TOP OF ALSO HAVING A RIVEN E ON HIS KIT, very rarely champs have BOTH heal and shield, specially this much of it (and sylas E is only half of the spell) while riven has absolutely no sustain on her kit and a below average hp/5 because she has her E, new champs dont have to follow those power tradeoffs tho.
Its pure powercreep.
Paroe6 votes[{quoted}](name=Anime Fizz,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=FoH5L6TF,comment-id=0001000100000000,timestamp=2019-02-13T09:52:22.127+0000)
His E is a shield, the W is the heal.
The point is that he has that gigantic heal ON TOP OF ALSO HAVING A RIVEN E ON HIS KIT, very rarely champs have BOTH heal and shield, specially this much of it (and sylas E is only half of the spell) while riven has absolutely no sustain on her kit and a below average hp/5 because she has her E, new champs dont have to follow those power tradeoffs tho.
Its pure powercreep.
No, its compensation. Riven builds lifesteal for a reason. Sylas doesnt have that option, hes AP. The burst heal can be pretty jarring but... its simple to play around thats for sure, and its on a long cooldown. Greivous wounds will shut him down pretty hard, as will a support+crit.
Baval12 votesRiven builds lifesteal for a reason. Sylas doesnt have that option, hes AP.
this is the problem. give us back spellvamp rito, stop favoring ADs
BrightWîngs15 votesIt's in the domination tree in case you missed it and if you want to count 
stuff like spell vamp needs to be put on a controlled level it's not favoring ADs I don't know why people make this claim for both AP and AD both classes can't be held at the same exact level because they don't play the same exact way
Baval1 votesIt's in the domination tree in case you missed it and if you want to count
so spellvamp needs to be controlled but ADCs can heal to full off what, 4 auto attacks on minions between fights?
Yeah, seems like not favoring ADs at all.
BrightWîngs1 voteslol an ADC has like max 2K HP if they get caught by almost literally anything they will die life steal aint gonna save them and 4 autos is a bit of a stretch but people like 
for sure some one like 
or 
no and if they are its HEAVILY into the late game.
mages often times have self peel in their kit whether its a shield slow/CC dash or healing I can name a few
any adc with good hard reliable CC is amongst the most immobile in the game
now dont get the idea I think the role is 100% balanced i mean they have things like 
and 
but to think Riot is playing favorites is ridiculous when it took the a full season to revert crit items and almost a full season to give bruisers a good keystone if they were playing favorites then i guess the ones that are took the season off.
RyzenLord2 votesnew conqueror favors mages. Bruisers are about to get stomped out again. Hashinshin makes a good point about the adc though. Every single season, the adc and support bot lane has been meta. We get half a season where there is something else that's viable and the adcs get upset. I don't miss having to go to bot lane constantly to try and get the hyper scaling class that comes online with 1 item ahead. If their skill gap is too big against the enemy bot, then you're almost guaranteed a loss. Bot lane after all the support buffs holds too much agency. The added benefits of shields/heals and support casters that scale faster with lower gold cost items made the bot lane harder to beat. When you give bot lane tower a paper turret, then you're forced to go defend before the enemy can snowball the win.
BrightWîngs1 votesYeah I'm not a fan of the the new conqcorer I'm happy they lowered the true damage but the rest just kinda blows for the class it's ment for. And I 100% agree with bot lane litterally almost 100% of my losses is because bot lane I don't even ban for my lane I always ban for bot in hope they don't int XD
Leetri4 votesSpellvamp is never coming back, just move on. It was a garbage stat because Vlad exists. If spellvamp is good on literally any other champion it's super broken on Vlad.
Flawless Fetus3 votesAnd morde.
JeaneGreene1 votesmorde Broken
The day Morde is overpowered I will be ready to die peacefully.
LordGeovanni1 votesSpell vamp literally exists like it did before except it also applies on auto attacks (and true damage) even 
Baval1 votesSpell vamp literally exists like it did before except it also applies on auto attacks (and true damage)
ah yes, hybrid items, exactly what mages need. AD.
if you dont use its AD or lifesteal, gunblade is 60% gold efficient. I dont think i even need to talk about why deaths dance is bad for mages.
LordGeovanni1 votesthe lifesteal is the same as the spell vamp you cant seperate it. and you still cant not auto attacks even as a mage unless you are like azir who loses the physical damage and only does magic damage through W
Baval1 votesthe lifesteal is the same as the spell vamp you cant seperate it. and you still cant not auto attacks even as a mage unless you are like azir who loses the physical damage and only does magic damage through W
ah yes, clearly all mages should build hybrid then. and vlad should build gunblade
LordGeovanni1 votesyou can but Gunblade is the only hybrid item in the game that is still a top ap item while having ad on it too.
Crescent Dusk4 votes[{quoted}](name=Anime Fizz,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=FoH5L6TF,comment-id=00010001,timestamp=2019-02-13T09:39:07.473+0000)
Riven has 0 sustain on her kit lmao.
And half of sylas E is riven E whole ability.
Imagine if riven E also gave her 500 health per cast on top of the shield, then she would be on par with a new champion kit!
Imagine if Sylas did even half the damage a riven does and had an instant, undodgeable stun to land a massively damaging ult that also gave her AD steroids.
Imagine if Sylas had even close to the amount of CC Riven had, or access to Death's Dance and Sterak's for massive self healing and anti-burst shielding.
Sylas1 votes[{quoted}](name=Anime Fizz,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=FoH5L6TF,comment-id=00010001,timestamp=2019-02-13T09:39:07.473+0000)
Riven has 0 sustain on her kit lmao.
And half of sylas E is riven E whole ability.
Imagine if riven E also gave her 500 health per cast on top of the shield, then she would be on par with a new champion kit!
riven has much shorter cool downs more mobility, and abuses Deaths Dance sylas cant build gunblade let alone deaths dance
and if you say domination tree with healing runes, it has a lower winrate
jocomotion3 votes
healing scales with champion level and not ability level, so it’s a slower scale, AND the healing is flat and in very little increments rather than burst-heal. Her ultimate can heal her quickly but that requires a lot of mechanical skill to get the max heal off mid fight.
LITERALLY has no natural healing in her kit. I honestly don’t know what you’re on about here.
like Fiora the healing is in little increments with the exception of his Ult which is his ULT, and not a basic ability
Unfair comparisons
Pink her Ult2 votes
Unfair comparisons
Someones never played against magewick.
RobotOverlord1 votes
Unfair comparisons
WW heals for about 1/5th of his HP with GW on him per AA. Nah man. Self healing in this game is dumb af and has made me not want to play it
Lovelle2 votesI think the bigger issue is how his kit interacts with the ults he steals. He can already be hard to kill on his own, but when he steals a sustain-oriented ult he literally becomes a raid boss.
When he steals their ults he becomes unkillable. He's already more mobile than they are, and does a lot more damage.
Since I play a lot of Trundle he often steals my ult when I play against him. He then gains more in-combat sustain than me while also being more mobile and having higher damage. I'm basically punished for picking a champion with a sustain ult. With Mundo it's even worse, especially if Sylas goes tanky with IBG and Abyssal.
Sylas1 votesI think the bigger issue is how his kit interacts with the ults he steals. He can already be hard to kill on his own, but when he steals a sustain-oriented ult he literally becomes a raid boss.
Since I play a lot of Trundle he often steals my ult when I play against him. He then gains more in-combat sustain than me while also being more mobile and having higher damage. I'm basically punished for picking a champion with a sustain ult. With Mundo it's even worse, especially if Sylas goes tanky with IBG and Abyssal.
imagine maining a champ and not knowing how to work around your own ult