As a utility AP item, Rylai should have low AP and some CDR

Photos of Ghosts·Sep 22, 2016·1 votes·499 views

Riot stated a while ago that they want you to choose between frequent, utility oriented spellcasts and single-use, damage oriented spellcasts. So utility items like Zhonya's need CDR. That's noice. Then why does Rylai have 100 AP? It should have 70 at most if not 60 AP, and possibly 10% CDR. Morellonomicon also escapes this paradigm with 100 AP and 20% CDR. It should be reduced to 10%, if not removed. Meanwhile, Void Staff could be increased to 90 AP.

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oSEXYPLATYPUSoSep 22, 20162 votes

it provides utility by its hp and passive

Photos of GhostsSep 22, 20161 votes

Precisely.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoSep 22, 20162 votes

so it has utility and it dont need cdr to do that.

there are two other items that have utility with 100 ap

item 3285 item 3165

Photos of GhostsSep 22, 20161 votes

Luden's doesn't have utility. It's the second most damage-oriented AP item in the game after deathcap. And Morello is now weird. Ideally, if it wants to keep its 20% cdr and Grievous Wounds, it should go back to 60 AP but we'd then need another 100 AP item.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoSep 22, 20162 votes

item 3285 provides +10% movement speed... and a proc passive like item 3087 for ap... that seems like utility to me

Photos of GhostsSep 22, 20161 votes

That's damage. That's what makes it the second most damage-oriented AP item, its passive, not its 100 AP.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoSep 22, 20162 votes

item 3165 has 100 ap item 3116 has 100 ap as well. they all cost the same they all have some kind of utility

the +10% movement speed with item 3285 is utility

Photos of GhostsSep 22, 20161 votes

That 10% ms is secondary to the damage passive. Yes it's utility, but it's secondary. You may decide to rush this rather than another item based on your ms synergy or your mana needs, but it's an item you buy for the pwnage.

Morello and Rylai's are both problematic for the overlap of utility and damage identities, but Rylai's much more so given that Grievous Wounds effectively mean damage (through denied healing)

oSEXYPLATYPUSoSep 22, 20161 votes

it is the same situation with ad items

there is the top tier item item 3031 which is = to item 3089 they both give tons of raw damage ( the most ) plus damage amplifiers

then you get into the 2nd tier

item 3072 item 3139 item 3153 item 3508

all providing damage and utility of some kind

Photos of GhostsSep 22, 20161 votes

Because frozen mallet has 70 ad amirite. Same with death's dance amirite.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoSep 22, 20161 votes

oh now you wanna go 3rd tier

item 3001 item 3157 item 3174

Photos of GhostsSep 22, 20161 votes

But Frozen Mallet is the slowing counterpart to Rylai's. Rylai should be 3rd tier and it's an error to have it be 2nd tier. We should have brand new 2nd tier items.

Photos of GhostsSep 22, 20161 votes

It doesn't "need cdr to do that". Nothing ever "needs cdr to do that".

Simply, as I said, utility passives like the slow CANNOT EVER be put on high AP items, they have to be on CDR items.

ViiLLAiNSep 22, 20162 votes

i agree ryalis needs to be like 70 ap because the slow is already good enough

CatastropSep 22, 20162 votes

No, for the love of god, no more CDR on items. Reduce the ap, fine, just no more CDR.

Photos of GhostsSep 22, 20161 votes

I also said to take away that 10% from Morellonomicon.

All SkillzzSep 22, 20162 votes

if it had cdr id rush it on ap ez and straight dominate with slows and kiting lol.

Photos of GhostsSep 22, 20161 votes

But it'd also have 30/40% less AP.

HyperiönSep 22, 20162 votes

We don't need more CDR, they just need to slightly reduce the slow on it, thats all.

Photos of GhostsSep 22, 20161 votes

It wouldn't be more overall CDR. Morello would lose the same amount.

HyperiönSep 22, 20162 votes

Morello is perfectly fine as it is.

Photos of GhostsSep 22, 20161 votes

How so? High AP AND high CDR AND a utility passive. It doesn't put you in front of any choice, except "am I manaless".

AstôlfoSep 22, 20161 votes

Not everyone wants or needs Morello in the first place.

AstôlfoSep 22, 20161 votes

Let's not shove more CDR onto every item, thanks. And it already has utility. That's what the passive is for.

Photos of GhostsSep 22, 20161 votes

Precisely, it's a utility item. Shouldn't come with lots of AP, should come with CDR.

AstôlfoSep 22, 20161 votes

No, we don't need another fucking CDR item. Also, the item already has everything it needs in terms of versatility. Adding even more would be stupid.

And no, it's not just pure utility. It's a situational item that's core only on some. It grants health, AP, and the ability to slow down the hypermobile champions. It's also the reason it's 3200 gold, making it one of the most expensive items in the game.

Photos of GhostsSep 22, 20161 votes