Will she ever be balanced?

Dethflash·Apr 22, 2017·6 votes·860 views

Fiora Max Health % true dmg is busted, and i dont know why riot has allowed her to keep her that way. You literally cant do anything against this champion she just Q's on you and does a billion true dmg according to your max health. The only counter to true dmg is health, and fiora counters people building health, so there is literally no item you can build to help against fiora. If Fiora only did true dmg his her passive procs it be okay because you could at least build items to help a little, but nope riot thinks Max Health % true dmg is a fair mechanic, cough cough, its really quite the opposite of fair.

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needHymnApr 22, 20174 votes

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DethflashApr 22, 20171 votes

She has a gap closer that has a very low cooldown, stunning doesnt work because her riposte and then you will be stunned (she can also riposte summoner spells like exhaust and ignite) so unless you have two hard cc abilities on low cooldown you arent going to be stunning her anytime soon. Burst only sometimes works, but if she lands a decently timed riposte (which isnt to hard to do) she can completely block the majority of the burst, so burst is just pure luck. Kiting, only works if you have a lot of mobility, like vayne, but even still her Q goes on 60% cooldown if Fiora hits any target, so she can chase better than you would expect. There is only a 0.5 second cooldown on fioras passive, so once she pops one vital a new vital will be ready for her to pop in 0.5 seconds, each vital pop does max health % true dmg, grant fiora movement speed, AND HEAL FIORA. So yea she has weaknesses, but her strengths are so strong they greatly overshadow her weaknesses

FowusApr 22, 20172 votes

just bait riposte?

MrHaZeYoApr 22, 20172 votes

Ok, so Fiora diving into a team, has to riposte fairly early if all 4 or 5 enemy's turn and focus her, thus when it's on CD she is extremely vulnerable to CC, much like Yi, Tryn, Riven, and Yas.

Fiora is meant to be the best 1v1 champion in the game if played correctly. Compared to Yi or Tryn, or really even Riven, she has to move around the battle, hitting different angles of the champion where as the others have to just facesmash you. She honestly has to play around her vitals, and that often will separate a good and a bad fiora. But see you do have some counterplay, even if she Riposte's a CC, you have time to dodge the skill shot part of it, you're not stunned if your not within the line of it. Second-ally, you can block vitals to severally reduce her damage.

SexyBabyJesusZApr 22, 20174 votes

her damage is stupidly high, shes supposed to be a snowbally duelist but even if she feeds she still comes back with her stupid ass ult and one shots your carry

chipndip1Apr 22, 20172 votes

That's what late game carries tend to do...

Big LincolnApr 22, 20173 votes

just kill her first, easy

Chaos Milk TeaApr 22, 20173 votes

The problem with fiora is that she, while better than before, still seems to remove a lot of feeling of agency from the opponent. Fiora was given a "duelist" kit but she's not particularly focused on out playing or out positioning so she just feels like she is getting free damage, and the %true damage is a great metaphor for that. There is nothing to build against it, and the only way to reduce her damage is not to fight her.

If I could at least see fiora dash around like a Yasuo or juke people for cool downs like a Riven, I could believe she is a duelist.

Also what is her ult? Why heal her team? She is a duelist. Did anyone look at riven and go: that champion needs to provide more to their team.

DethflashApr 22, 20171 votes

Yeah i dont get how they call her a dualist when her ult can heal here whole team, sounds pretty utility useful to me and NOT a dualing. They just need to get rid of the max health part about her true dmg and then atleast you can stack a ton of health to not get instantly killed by her

Critmaster GarenApr 22, 20171 votes

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not particularly focused on out playing or out positioning

what the fuck. her entire passive revolves around positioning. if you out position her, you dont get hit in your vitals.

Vayne has much less counterplay in that regard than fiora. at least wuith fiora you can try to hide vitals inside walls and outmaneuver her. vayne just right clicks you with a much higher threat range for her silver bolts and there is nothing you can do to avoid it.

Chaos Milk TeaApr 22, 20172 votes

That's how it WOULD BE if she didn't have a button that dashed her to a point and automatically struck it.

AnonagonApr 22, 20172 votes

Fiora is strong, too strong right now. But this is a stupid QQ thread.

"max health % true dmg is busted" You'd think they wouldn't have added it to Amumu this patch if that were the case. Certainly they'd have figured out by now if %maxHP true damage were inherently busted given Vayne was released six whole years ago.

"literally can't do anything against this champion" Just like you literally can't do anything against Master Yi, or Tryndamere. Except wait, you can. You can actually do even more against Fiora than those two, because less of her damage comes straight from right-clicks.

DethflashApr 22, 20173 votes

Amumu only does bonus true dmg, not max health % true dmg. glad someone who cant read is on the forms Vayne is supposed to be a tank shredder, Fiora is supposed to be a dualist, not a 1v5 champion

AnonagonApr 22, 20171 votes

Amumu does a percent bonus true damage on all his abilities, and one of his abilities does %maxHP damage. It literally is %maxHP true damage. You must be an autist not to understand that.

You also don't seem to understand that Fiora is also meant to be a tank buster.

MrHaZeYoApr 22, 20172 votes

Technically, he does do %MaxHP True Damage.

His passive marks the opponant with a debuff of sorts, that makes magical damage do 10% true damage to them. Mumu's aura on his W does %MaxHP damage. So 10% of the %MaxHP would indeed be true damage, so the higher their overall HP, mean's the higher overall true damage Amumu's W will do.

SexyBabyJesusZApr 22, 20171 votes

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Fiora is strong, too strong right now. But this is a stupid QQ thread.

"max health % true dmg is busted" You'd think they wouldn't have added it to Amumu this patch if that were the case. Certainly they'd have figured out by now if %maxHP true damage were inherently busted given Vayne was released six whole years ago.

"literally can't do anything against this champion" Just like you literally can't do anything against Master Yi, or Tryndamere. Except wait, you can. You can actually do even more against Fiora than those two, because less of her damage comes straight from right-clicks.

vayne is an insanely squishy tank shredder, she offers nothing but straight damage, and really relies on farming/not feeding early.

with fiora she can go 0/14 and still one shot your carry with ease

AnonagonApr 22, 20173 votes

Fiora is also an insanely squishy tank shredder who offers little but straight damage.

Fiora is actually significantly worse at "one-shotting" than Vayne herself is, given that Vayne can Tumble crit.

Stop the stupid QQ.

SexyBabyJesusZApr 22, 20171 votes

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AnonagonApr 22, 20173 votes

Fiora does not build tank in the slightest.

Fiora's squishiness is amplified by being melee, something Vayne doesn't have to deal with.

Vayne also has defensive abilities, ones with significantly higher uptime than Fiora's.

The condition for dealing %maxHP true damage is unimportant, because you specifically were talking about "one-shotting a carry", and %maxHP true damage isn't as relevant as raw physical burst when it comes to killing squishies, and Vayne has higher physical damage burst than Fiora because of Tumble, and from range.

You are the idiot.

SexyBabyJesusZApr 22, 20171 votes

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Fiora does not build tank in the slightest.

Fiora's squishiness is amplified by being melee, something Vayne doesn't have to deal with.

Vayne also has defensive abilities, ones with significantly higher uptime than Fiora's.

The condition for dealing %maxHP true damage is unimportant, because you specifically were talking about "one-shotting a carry", and %maxHP true damage isn't as relevant as raw physical burst when it comes to killing squishies, and Vayne has higher physical damage burst than Fiora because of Tumble, and from range.

You are the idiot.

holy shit YOU ARE SO DUMB LOL

you build black cleaver, hydra, then tank on fiora, not making her a tank but making her still tanky.

vaynes e is much worse than fioras w, being a single target self peel, and only stuns if the target hits the wall, fiora will just outright block any ability and if that ability has cc than it stuns the person who used it.

vayne is supposed to be a tank shredder, fiora is supposed to be a bruiser, so how you could defend her having %maxhp damage with true damage is beyond stupid.

AnonagonApr 22, 20173 votes

She has %maxHP true damage because Riot wanted her to do target agnostic damage. This is because Fiora is what is known as a melee carry, and for a melee carry to be useful, they must always be able to do damage. This is why she has %hp true damage. Riot wanted her to be a tank shredder, just like Vayne.

SexyBabyJesusZApr 22, 20172 votes

Fiora builds tanky

Fiora has an ability that can block any ability in the game

Fiora has more mobility

Fiora has an aoe heal

Fiora only relies on hitting vitals, (with an ult that makes everything a vital) while vayne needs to hit 3 autos for her burst

chipndip1Apr 22, 20172 votes

Fiora's Diamond win rate is 48.5% on an 11% play rate on League of Graphs. I say you're just not grouping while you have an advantage even if you get one.

koshkyraApr 22, 20171 votes

% health true damage you sa-

GET OUT OF HERE Vayne IM TALKING

dolphinosplash24Apr 22, 20171 votes

According to op.gg her worst matchups are Pantheon Probably because of his passive and near instant stun Swain probably because of his constant healing. And Malphite. I really dont have a explanation for this one its kinda random. maybe because of the the AS hes reducing?