PSA: If your jungler is being invaded, help them!

ReshiKillim··6 votes·1,217 views

Instead of watching your jungler get invaded, their jungle taken, help them! A lack of help in an invade will screw over the entire team. Not helping while the jungler is being invaded, puts the enemy jungler ahead and yours behind.

This means less ganks for you, and more ganks for them.

Even if there's too many enemies to fight off, harass them. Shave off as much HP as you can while they invade, so that even if you can't stop the invade, the invaders will be forced to back away and return to the fountain after clearing a camp.

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warpenguin5556 votes

^ too often i see people refuse to help then blame the jungler for never ganking. wtf lol

Randomonium3 votes

I'm a jungle main and responding to an invade is often not the correct decision because it puts the laners at a gold disadvantage and, more importantly, an experience disadvantage. Good laners will all in you as soon as they hit a power spike like level 6 if they have an experience advantage so that experience is crucial in the early game.

The best defense for junglers is to properly ward. Drop a ward over your second camp to spot an invade and if it happens just leave that side of the map and invade his jungle on the opposite side instead. Worst case scenario you will go even with the other jungler because he will steal your camps and you will steal his. Even more likely you will wind up ahead because he will wait around in your jungle to try and gank you while you are clearing his camps.

Another way to avoid the level 2 cheese is skip your red/blue buff and go directly to raptors/krugs for your second camp and then come back to the buff for your third camp. Don't forget to ward and invade his jungle if he decides to do a late invade on you. I do this often when I'm going up against a strong jungler who is likely to invade.

I hope that helps.

Zero Skill Tank2 votes

Yeah and when laner asks for help he will read "it is better to snowball lanes that are doing good than someone who already has problems" or "it is not my responsibility to win your lane".

You picked crappy jungler who can't duel or invade back? That's your fault and your problem m8.

SithesisLord1 votes

Well, you see, the jungler is there to help all lanes as best as possible.

But who do you think he's gonna help more?

The 5/0 Kayle top that´s dunking on their Yasuo? Or the 2/6 Vayne that can barely 1v1 their Sona?

It isn´t the jungler's job to win your lane for you, but it is your job to help him against an invade, because later on, after he's snowballed the crap out of the other lanes, he can help you catch up.

You´re sacrificing potentially a wave of CS for possibly a first blood and 400 gold ahead of them if you deal with that invade.

Besides, you turn that invade into something good for the entire team. Because first, the enemy jungler is going to be pissed and probably even scared to try invading again. Secondly, you´ll be giving your jungler the ability to farm less because of that kill/assist gold, thus allowing him to gank more and help everyone with that minor, but very significant advantage.

You really think a WW can outduel a Shaco that ignited him? Or that a Kayle can outdamage a Lee Sin? That Kindred can do anything against a Shyvana that exhausted them?

ValyrianBlade1 votes

Except half of the time the invade is happening because a laner (namely, the one who isn't responding to the invade) is already getting destroyed in lane (often due to a counter-pick, or if not even a champion disparity at levels 1-2).

I've had a fair share of games where I'm fighting a top laner with ignite (I have TP) and it's a Pantheon or Renekton or some other top lane champion that just destroys you at level 1 and/or 2. My job is not to die in lane. What should be happening is my jungler should have the ability to see that I'm getting destroyed in lane at this critical early point and instead of trying to do a full clear he should do gromp/krugs in to double buffs and come straight to my lane at level 3. The enemy laner is very aggressively pushed so it's the perfect opportunity for him to gank! We should both know not to go too hard for a kill (as we'll lose 2 to a countergank) but the purpose of his gank is still twofold:

  1. Get some decent damage on my lane opponent so their champion's early-game advantage is now largely negated and I can keep up farming
  2. Avoid early jungling at low health where you're susceptible to an invade

What often ends up happening in these cases, though, is the jungler doesn't pay attention to the map (which is a huge no-no, you have no lane opponent so while you're clearing your camps you should constantly be checking out the lanes to see if someone needs help or if a gank will be available) and instead clears his whole half-jungle. He proceeds to the other half at level 3 and does a small camp. He's now done 4 camps, is level 3 (40% to 4) and is low health (some junglers won't even need the small camp to get that low, they go straight for the other buff and will get killed as they're finishing that camp).

My lane opponent is now level 3 at full health. I'm level 2 at 55% health and have 6 minions pushed under my turret. This is the point where the jungler SHOULD have been approaching my lane, to initiate a gank after I kill 5 of those 6 minions and to negate my lane opponent's advantage so I can outscale his cheesy early-game champion (recall, I have TP and he has ignite, I'm going to be much more useful late game). Instead what happens is I can't respond to the invade because my lane opponent is already responding to help his jungler invade (because obviously his jungler knows they're invading before we do) and if I try to follow in to the jungle I'm just going to die and miss that wave of creeps (plus the next wave while dead) and I'll be down level 5 to level 2 or something ridiculous and feed all game...

So, yea. If you're in a jungle matchup where the enemy jungler can invade you and your allied laner is on a weaker early champion than their lane opponent, it's your own fault if you got invaded and died. You played it wrong. You should have done small camp to double buffs to ganking the lane. Or at least paid enough attention to see that it was necessary (if your allied laner is winning the lane you can resume small camps instead). A gank doesn't always need a kill to be a useful gank.

The thing most junglers don't realize is most opponents KNOW an invade is happening before your allies do. They know to push in their lane in order to make their lane opponent be behind in levels and need to sacrifice xp + gold in order to respond to an invade (plus your lane opponent is pushed far enough to respond as will and kill them most of the time). Sure, if the enemy Shaco/Lee Sin tries to cheese invade at level 2 and nothing has happened in lane yet the two nearby lanes can respond and secure a first blood. Most of the time invades don't work like that though. I've never seen players not respond to such invades unless the allied jungler was stupid enough to let himself get low enough in the early clear that the enemy jungler one-shots him (I'm not sacrificing a wave of xp and gold to try to find the enemy jungler that just killed my jungler, has more than a full level on me, and is a strong early fighter, in hopes of getting a revenge kill). Junglers have wards too :P

WalkingInACircle1 votes

No, my lane is being invaded.

Hayaishi21 votes

But i gotta CS

Krigjer1 votes

I'll help as best I can if they're spotted in time, or if I can make it in time.

But if you die in .02 seconds and then blame me, I no longer care.

TheEvilDumptruck1 votes

The worst part is when they ping to fight, then stop to farm another wave before coming.

arcinex1 votes

Good supports know how to kill the invader while their ADC and mid laner continue to farm :)

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