@Riot, Please make Shyvana immune to CC while performing Dragon's Descent

ReshiKillim·Aug 21, 2016·64 votes·2,419 views

It's incredibly frustrating that a lot of champions can simply stop her attempts at initiating a fight. Malphite, Hecarim, and Jarvan all have more impactful initiation ults that make them CC immune while performing them. Yet Shyvana's is much less reliable compared to any of them.

Dragon's descent has very spotty CC that sometimes completely ignores enemies who are standing in the way, and it's also easily interrupted. A change that would greatly improve the quality of life without changing damage numbers would be to make her CC immune for the duration of the leap.

38 Comments

Bladerunner7777Aug 22, 201615 votes

based on the downvotes to realistic replies, shyvana mains seem almost as bad as sona mains

If Riot made Shyvana's ult uninterruptible and also make the "knockback" CC reliable, she would be completely OP, end of story.

I don't understand why people think Shyvana is an "engage tank", she's not, not even close. Her ult isn't a reliable engage because that's not what she is balanced around currently. Shyvana is in the same ball park as Xin Zhao or Tryndamere, except she is more easily kited, tankier, has no CC at all, BUT she does a shitton of % health damage AND she can do it in an AoE.

If ANYTHING they need to make her ult have a faster travel time, but tacking on reliable CC to it can't work unless they completely rework her.

Honestly if riot buffed BoRK which is kind of weak atm I think Shyvana would do a lot better, but I'm not certain.

LeonerdoAug 22, 20162 votes

Yeah, I think the counter-play to her current ult is just more healthy and more fun. And since she isn't an engage tank or an assassin, she should have decent options even if her dive is interrupted; i.e. she can still duke it out on the front line.

Honestly, Hecarim's ult should maybe be interrupt-able too since he plays more like Shyvana than a tank nowadays. And his options for engaging/flanking/diving/ganking are probably too reliable right now, given how much damage he can also do. Then again, maybe that's just his niche.

By the way, that means Shyvana's niche is similar, but with a lot more damage and less mobility, hence the lack of CC immunity on her ult.

Bladerunner7777Aug 24, 20161 votes

Hecarim's ult should maybe be interrupt-able too since he plays more like Shyvana than a tank nowadays

I disagree completely

Shyvana is a power-farming, counterjungling, % health shredding frontline damage dealer

Hecarim is great at ganking because he actually has CC meanwhile Shyvana has (basically) none. He is meant to dive into teamfights and burst squshies; he doesn't even tickle tanks unless they're super far behind and Hec is super far ahead.

They aren't similar at all really, other than "running fast"

And Hecarim's ult is hardly "uninterruptible". I believe he only gets 100% tenacity while charging but at the end of it he still gets CC'd if he tries to go through a Veigar stun or something.

KetiAug 22, 20162 votes

Trynd and xin Zhao are also absolute garbage, so it's not a bad comparison. Her cc attached to her ult is very small, and the ult is mostly used to reposition anyways. It's absolutely vital to her success that she gets where she needs to get with it, because she has little contingency. Her hitbox swells to such a size and she travels so slowly, it's very hard to actually complete an ult in a teamfight. I could understand this needing to be the case back when sated devourer was a thing, but its removal severely gimped her damage so shes now just all risk and no reward. And it's frankly kind of ludicrous she doesn't get any real love while hecarim is running around doing more damage with more mobility with better utility, clearing nearly as fast for only being slightly squishier.

doombotMECHAAug 23, 20161 votes

like, you have no other way to get in. that gets interuppted and you can say goodbye to even hurting yas/kali/zed, 3mobile5you

Bladerunner7777Aug 24, 20161 votes

If you're trying to dive into the enemy Kalista as Shyvana/Udyr/Skarner/Volibear then you shouldn't expect to live or deal any damage because that's just a stupid idea as long as the enemy is competent and you aren't ultra fed.

MhihnjAug 23, 20161 votes

Yeah it will make her pretty strong due to her dueling power and immune to cc is not a good idea. But watching a lee kick a shyvana is hilarious

zaxscatAug 21, 20169 votes

Shyvana need some love, she is a dragon flying at you how do you cc a dragon. Also the ult is so buggy some times i grab them and other times i go over them.

RocketRelmAug 21, 20168 votes

AurelionSol

TO be fair, if this guy was unccable just because he was a "dragon flying at you", his E+Q stuff'd be way scarier.

OHminusAug 22, 20166 votes

Sol definitely got cc'ed today >_>

EvewynnAug 22, 20167 votes

While we're at it, please give shyvana a mega evolution while she knows dragon ascent.

It's just common sense really.

Axe2HandleAug 21, 20166 votes

This has been said for years. The only reason I can think of is the cooldown is much lower than regular Ults.

ZeeWolfZAug 22, 20162 votes

You can build it under 30 sec.

MunchCrunchLunchAug 22, 20161 votes

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You can build it under 30 sec.

that doesn't mean that you should ult every 30 seconds. you can get hec ult on a close cd as well due to his early cdr builds.

Bladerunner7777Aug 22, 20162 votes

Hecarim

140 ult cooldown rank 1

...

Early game:

20% cdr from Triforce

112 second cooldown rank 1

...

Late game:

100 second rank 3 ult cd

30% cdr (this is usually how much he has from full build)

70 second ult cd at rank 3 at full build

...

So...

you can get hec ult on a close cd as well due to his early cdr builds.

Not even close at all

TobstersAug 22, 20164 votes

Yes but don't forget, Shyvana's ult cooldown doesn't recharge while she is dead. Every other ultimate in the game recharge cooldown even while dead.

Axe2HandleAug 22, 20162 votes

Thats true, but how often do you plan on dying lol and its really quick to get your ult back up.

SteeneeAug 22, 20162 votes

Not if you're behind. You can't really recharge using autos if you're behind and forced to turtle

HateDaddyAug 22, 20164 votes

I wouldn't have an issue with it but you'd have to effectively increase its cooldown. As it stands, it's an underwhelming ult to be sure but that's what justifies its laughably low cooldown (building rage is easy af let's be honest, it's a pointless resource).

ChaddyFantomeAug 21, 20163 votes

getting leesin kicked in the jaw in the middle of your ult feels damn shitty.

Unstoppable MonkAug 24, 20161 votes

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getting leesin kicked in the jaw in the middle of your ult feels damn shitty.

well you shouldn't have messed with lee singa

KetiAug 22, 20163 votes

I'm one of the few high elo shyvana mains left and imo this would be so nice. rito please

ZioviAug 22, 20163 votes

Balance aside, it would be cool if she could remove CC activating her ult, like Olaf. Think about it: she gets CCed, and then she transfoms into a huge dragon and breaks free.

Again: i'm not saying it would be balanced or anything... i don't even really know much about shyv. I just think the idea itself is pretty cool.

SteeneeAug 22, 20161 votes

I think that would be really cool too. Also forces you to make a decision: hold your ult longer or use it to break the cc and possibly not have the best ult

crippler38Aug 23, 20161 votes

oh no then instead you have the ability to say fck it I'm a durgon and force them to burn 2 cc to peel you off of the adc or the adc will definitely 100% die.

cool as fuck but about as balanced as a broken scale.

Great MutaAug 22, 20162 votes

Shyvanna needs some help so bad. It's heartbreaking to see where she's at right now compared to last year when she was taking on 3 people at a time.

I feel lost in the jungle without her. She was my tank and my damage jungler. Now she's some weird half-tank AS jungler who isn't really good at anything except farming, and due to their not being enough jungle camps, you can't really get that much farm.

The Blue RajahAug 22, 20162 votes

I've gotta be one of the few shyvana mains that's not in favor of this, simply because I'm pretty damn certain they would reduce the range of the dash, which is my favorite thing about it. It's such an incredibly versatile move, and it's almost always up. If they shortened the range (and they'd have to do some sort of nerf if they added as much power as cc immunity) I would be super sad.

AxhliayAug 22, 20162 votes

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I have a feeling that they would reduce the damage before they reduced the range. 425 damage at level 16 when you dont build any penetration isn't that much, and more often than not, I never ulti directly onto them, moreso using it to close the gap.

Less damage for more useability is a fair tradeoff.

SpoofghoulAug 22, 20162 votes

Meanwhile at Rito HQ

Awesome idea lets make everyone cc immune when shyvana uses ult

LadyRenlyAug 22, 20161 votes

sounds pretty OP

TeCoolMageAug 22, 20161 votes

I think it should be the other way around, remove the annoying CC immunity from these champions, or only give them tenacity.

Champion SkinAug 22, 20161 votes

Why? They do get CC'ed after the ultimate has finished casting Giving them Tenacity while casting would just make the CC wear off faster while they are still in ult animation (though of course that would make knock ups and such even stronger as those things could now stop those ultimates on top of not being being removed by cleanse/QSS and not being reduced by tenacity)

MEMEME670Aug 22, 20161 votes

Why? Because it's arbitrarily assigned to champions and makes no sense.

Zac's theme is a lot like Hecarims or Malphites. So why can I as Janna force zac to flash >95% of the times he wants to engage on me as long as I'm paying attention?

And if that's fair, why isn't it allowed with Malphite or Hecarims engages?

Champion SkinAug 23, 20161 votes

It isn't arbitrary though... as pretty much the only dashes that are allowed to be immune to CC/impossible to stop (except for killing the champion) are ultimates which usually have a pretty long cooldown... while Zac dash is a normal ability with much shorter cooldown

ItsLambChopAug 22, 20161 votes

Zac Please. It's so stupid when I'm just bouncing in place because some Anivia hit me with a chunk of ice.

DarkRitualAug 22, 20161 votes

I would rather see something different, and not just another "cc immune while performing engage ult"

adidasAug 22, 20161 votes

I really dont understand people on these boards. Its like they've never fucking played shyvana before.

If you jungle at all, you would know shyvana has to be one of the lower tier junglers and by lower tier i mean absolute shit. I recently tried picking her up again and it

feels

fucking

shit

to play shyvana. The ONLY thing she gots going for her is the W movement speed. She literally fails in every aspect of being a good champion.

No i dont play shyvana i completely threw her and the skins i bought for her in the trash (by that i mean i refuse to play her) Shes honestly a shit tier pick.

The fact that any champ with CC can stop her ult is pretty bullshit but olaf malphites unstoppable, hecarims unstoppable like im pretty fckin sure im more scared of a dragon rather than a horse...

It just makes no sense why shyvana is obviously in a horrible spot and there are still people who will say shes op i she gets a QOL buff.