APs to replace AD carries bot?

Big Lincoln··1 votes·613 views

Current set of thinking is that I want to know which APs I could take bot lane and reasonably succeed, based on their item reliance and value to replace them for something else mid (maybe an ADC).

Right now, I'm thinking of Cassiopeia Azir Karthus Veigar Anivia

Cassiopeia - Very high DPS from level 2 onward, strong all-in, passable poke and decent innate sustain, both health and mana. The biggest problem, I think, is her lack of disengage until level 6, and even then it's kind of iffy. I think she'd be very dangerous with the right support, either for early all-ins or to make up for her lack of disengage Leona Blitzcrank Janna

Azir - Long range gives him an advantage in lane, he has a lot of poke and good disengage. Good with other poke supports, I think. Karma Lulu Sona

Karthus - Very safe laner, good at farming and very good at controlling his waves. Global presence is a double-edged sword; where he has the potential to score double kills bot (and pick them up anywhere else), he's also likely going to be more pressured by the enemy jungler since bot lane is longer. However, bot lane means he can avoid laning vs assassins who would otherwise ruin his day.

Veigar - He does more damage than people give him credit for early game. His slew of AoE spells, combined with his stun, means he has a disgusting all-in with the right support; Leona would be a good example. He also synergizes with poke supports pretty well thanks to his range increase on Q. The biggest downside is that he's very squishy and very slow-moving, and he has some mana issues until he grabs a Chalice or Morello's. Another issue is that he can't take advantage of the enemy AP ratio (right now, at least); but the safer farming will at least help him stay on his feet when behind. Also he'd look nice going bot with Arcade Sona, but I think he would rather have a tankier support in order to trade blows better, or someone who can provide him with health sustain.

Anivia - Lethal level 2 with the right all-in support, brutal wombo potential with anyone who brings CC to the table. She's a decent lane bully, I think, but a good reason I want to take her bot is so that she can better utilize her passive, where a tank support might be able to buy some time in order for her to revive. Level 6 gives her good waveclear, and her wall is very effective for 2v2's and helping your jungler successfully gank. Supports with strong lock down are definitely the ones I'd want, IMO; Morgana Nautilus Leona Thresh give you enough CC to make your ult really work to your favor, not to mention you being able to assist them with a combination of your own stun and obscene damage output.

8 Comments

Shroom Junkie1 votes

It's been done before and worked, but the main idea of an ADC is to have someone who can take towers really fast(or at least, faster than someone who doesn't build AD and rather builds AP or tank or both).

Big Lincoln1 votes

Azir can take towers pretty quickly

Shroom Junkie1 votes

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Azir can take towers pretty quickly

Eh, only by wasting his soldiers and pushing the lane.

Big Lincoln1 votes

i mean, the lane has to be pushed before you can take the tower

there's also some good AP/tank options, item-wise, for tower-clearing if you want to go that route

IcyPepper1 votes

ADC's used to go mid, APC's used to go bot with the support.

It's not new, it's just not currently meta.

HadesBlades1 votes

I think APs get more out of mid since they have more of a roaming chance to bring their cc/engage/disengage to other lanes. ADCs usually dont have the utility other champs do. Generally Mid is more dangerous to farm up as well since ganking, and pressuring for towers is more of a priority, especially since the new drag is in place. :P I'm not saying it wont work, but the meta just deems adc bot.

And I went apc bot before with cassio and won lane, on multiple occasions. I just feel more secure mid lane for farm reasons and roaming reasons.

Big Lincoln1 votes

but i have a dream

that my champions will be judged not by the items that they build, but by the content of their character ;c

HadesBlades1 votes

Your dreams T-T will never become good memes, #metaisreal

even though i wish ap could go bot :/

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