Edit: In my defense to those who say I have a low win rate and poor stats, those were my stats when I played Riven at the start of the season, where I didn't have much mechanics on her, if you look at the last 7 days of my Riven, it's at 71% win rate with 24 games played
Edit 2: To clarify, it was a ranked game, and no I don't play her for the skin, I don't have it
GULAG 4 U70 votesThat's pretty much griefing.
Arcus Diabolus50 votesI'm seeing a lot more toxicity toward Riven and Yasuo than that either of them have ever been. Its just sad. You almost can't blame them for being toxic anymore.
Junkο33 votesAt this point I think anti insert toxic champion here players are way more toxic than the actual players of said champions.
Darkdemon65327 votesWhile I wouldn't purposely ban Riven to prevent someone on my team from playing her, given the "event" and skin, I absolutely do not want to play with Rivens (and I have never want to play with Yasuos).
gottrjr1 votesWhile I wouldn't purposely ban Riven to prevent someone on my team from playing her, given the "event" and skin, I absolutely do not want to play with Rivens (and I have never want to play with Yasuos).
Agreed on both champs. Almost certain to lose with them on your team. Curse you Riot for this dumb event. And yes, I would ban them even if somebody wanted them because my win rate with them on my team is TERRIBLE.
Rikari3 votesfunny thing is,i tend to carry on riven with sometimes insane kdas.
Schàdenfreude2 votesYeah it's not hard to do that in silver 5.
Sqkerg11 votesYou really don't get how elos work do you. Hard and easy isn't decided in a vacuum, to a diamond player, carrying in silver 5 probably seems pathetically easy, but to a silver 5 player, carrying in silver 5 is just as hard as carrying in diamond. So the answer is, yes, unless you are above the elo you're currently in, then it is hard to carry in silver 5.
(Also don't rank shame, that's not cool.)
SnakDatSmilesBak2 votesWell objectively speaking, carrying in silver is easier than carrying in diamond.
Sqkerg4 votesEasier and harder, sure. Those words compare the two ranks together, carrying in Silver 5 is most likely easier than carrying in Diamond, though it's important to understand that while carrying in a higher rank is probably harder, that doesn't mean that it is suddenly easy to carry in the rank a person is currently in.
Galacius16 votesI also disagree with the majority here on banning that Riven pick. I am a firm believer in playing whatever you feel comfortable with playing. Yes it's ranked and people want to win, however you will do more harm banning their pick intent (by causing them to tilt) than letting them play and working with you. This isn't "low elo" speak but rather a "don't be a jerk and be a team" speak. Frankly, I have noticed people ban my pick intents and it isn't fun to have that happen to you or anyone else. We have the power of choice in champ select and in real life - you're not their parents or their caregiver or the government, so what gives you the right to take their freedom of choice away, because you (subjectively) don't want them to play a champion. That's my argument here.
As far as this thread goes, I see discussion taking place and both sides are on equal footing with arguing their points. There isn't anyone insulting anyone and people are respecting opinions (mostly). I will avoid locking this, but lets be nice and consider all angles shall we?
solopolo335 votesTbf, you shouldn't be playing a champion you're not experienced at in ranked, or a champion that isn't one of your top champs. Ranked play isn't mainly to "have fun". Ranked is there to test yourself at your full potential and win games. This isn't only league, this applies in literally every single game in existence. While I do agree that banning riven because he didn't want him to play riven was a dick move, he shouldn't have picked riven if he had such a low winrate with her (unless it was his best champ and highest winrate, in which case sure, you have a better chance playing that champion that any other champion). If you want to play a champion you haven't played yet, or a champion you're not experienced at, you should be courteous enough not to go into a ranked game and potentially lose a game that could've been won had you taken a champ you were experienced with. There are other games modes for testing and learning champions. Coop VS AI, Blind Pick, Draft Pick. Personally I've only once went into PvP with a new champ. I always test VS AI before playing in PvP (I'm a fairly new player, only level 20). Whether intentional trolling, playing for fun, or just inexperienced, if your intent is banned because you have a low winrate with it (and it's not your top champ, or close to top), I'd say it's deserved. Not saying it's not a dick move, but it's deserved. If you don't know you're doing something wrong, that should help you think about your choices during your next ranked game. If it doesn't, you're just refusing to learn and at that point just being an ass.
Electro5222 votesThing is, how do you determine when you are ready for ranked? This guy had around 160 games on Riven, and probably even more in normals. If you only play normals on a champ that you're wanting to master, how high up should you get that mastery?
Normals has a more chaotic environment than ranked. In one game, you could go up against a smurf on their main champ, and the next, you could get someone who is literally playing that champ for the first time. Not to mention the amount of cheese picks and builds there are in normals.
In ranked, you are far more likely to go up against people of your skill level, of whom is playing a champ that they are at least halfway familiar with. I'm not saying that you won't see the same weird picks in ranked as you do normals, but you will see it far less often, even in down in the chaotic trenches of Bronze.
So, in my opinion, ranked is actually the best place to master a champion. Yes, you should play a few normal games, get the basic combos down, and get a feel for the champ, but once you have that, you should certainly head into ranked. I say this because I've done it, specifically with Gnar. I played maybe 10 games total with him in normals, if that, then started to play him in ranked. I now have him at 100k mastery, and overall winrate of somewhere around 55% with well over a hundred ranked games on him.
Now, I understand that Riven is far, Far, FAR more difficult than Gnar ever will be, but if this guy is aiming to master Riven, I'd say he's doing it right. It'll be slow, and it'll be painful, not only for him, but also his teammates (but, more so for him). Give him another 160 games on Riven, and he may very well have long climbed out whatever elo he was in.
Salson13 votesJust pick 
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, they're shit to have on your team.
Eunson12 votesI mean here are you stats on Riven : 1.89:1 KDA 6.6 / 5.9 / 4.5 44% winrate 169 Played
I wouldn't want you to play it either personally...unless this was a normal then idgaf
Sqkerg49 votesThat shouldn't be your decision to make.
korg0238 votesWhy not? Its my LP and i want to win a game. I would do anything in my power to win this game even if it means preventing my 44% winrate riven from over 160 games to play that champion.
Sqkerg31 votesBecause it's not all about you. This is still a game and the goal of a game is still to have fun, not only to win. A person shouldn't be forced to play or not to play a champ because they are 6% more or less likely to win than normal. As long as the person's intention is still to win, you shouldn't be able to force them to do something else.
Jet Sett Radıo9 votesNow if they were gunna first time a champion in ranked then ya i would ban their champ dodge or just pray and hope that i dont spend the next 40 minutes getting one shot by their lane opponent
Papa Andrei8 votesIn Ranked, the goal is not to ahve fun, but to win. You can have fun while winning, but it comes second.
Sqkerg8 votesWhy are you playing the game in the first place if you're not having fun?
Eunson2 votesTell that to the Singed and Nunu support Rito banned
edit* shouldn't be your place to tell me what not to ban if that's your logic.
Sqkerg4 votesI have every right to tell you what to and not to ban. And you are under no obligation to listen. Also the Singed and Nunu weren't banned for being off meta, they were banned because they didn't communicate with their team what their off meta strategy was.
AninLegions7771 votes44% winrate isn't a bad thing. A lot of things can affect winrates. Just because you have a 44% winrate, doesn't mean you were the cause of the 66% loss. And I hope you know how KDA works. I've been playing a lot of Shaco lately and Had an 80% winrate in 20 games where my KDA was 3.2:1 but my OVERALL KDA was about the same as this Riven's. Because of the bad games when I was just starting out.
Eunson1 votesLol what. Winrate is the only thing that matters, KDA means nothing. I can easily pad my stats and have perfect KDA and have a 0%winrate because I have no clue wtf I am suppose to be doing on my champ. I'd rather have a teammate with a 0.2 KDA and a 64% KDA than a 44% winrate and a decent/good KDA.
AninLegions7773 votesExcept winrate doesn't necessarily mean the person knows how to play the champ. For example, I've been playing Zed since 2013. Yet I hover between a 47-49% winrate in 150 games. It doesn't mean I don't know how to play Zed, not even close. The 51% loss rate can be attributed to games when I got outplayed/outclassed, where my team didn't know what to do, where games I reach late game and fall off.
Ah O Yeah Harder8 votesThats when you go Soraka top
Keylight XD6 votesWow that is bs and should be reportable. Whether you have 44% win ratio overall says noting about your most recent games. Also, this may yet be your best champion and banning it makes it even harder for the team to win the match(on top of being pissed of about it already-> underperforming) , I guess he wasn't thinking about that when he banned riven. What a douche. Sad part is that you are more likely than him to dodge the match too.
nice table3 voteslook at your stats and win ratio then ask yourself "why am i upset that my team doesn't want me to troll?"
ModAttysu The Poro28 votesJust because a person is not good at a champion, or wants to get better at a champion, doesn't mean its not reportable when then ban your pick intent. Being bad at a game or a champion shouldn't be basis to not letting them enjoy it.
nice table3 votesand here i was thinking that ranked was a competitive mode where you were supposed to at least try your best to win, you know what isn't trying your best to win? playing riven that you feed on in most of your games and have a 40% win ratio on.
ModAttysu The Poro22 votesFirstly; this was never stated to be a ranked game. This could have just as easily been a normals. It was not specified.
Secondly; it's a game. Why play a game, if you have to play only what you're good at, and aren't allowed to try anything new? That isn't very fun, which beats the purpose of what a game is at the end of the day.
Thirdly; Everyone who has played this game has had rough patches/champions they aren't good at, or took extra long to learn. That doesn't mean you should grief them and not allow them to try and learn said champion.
nice table2 voteswell i guess this is the different mind set that comes from different elo, in mid-high elo everyone thinks that people who do this should be perma banned but i guess in low elo its more of "lets troll its fun hehexd"
ModAttysu The Poro15 votesNo; this isn't low ELO's stance. This is Riot's stance.
nice table1 votesmakes a lot of sense, fuck people that want to play off meta and actually do well playing off meta but people who want to feed in ranked with riven should be allowed to do so and not letting them is reportable :^)
ModAttysu The Poro10 votesAgain; not only is this game possibly not even a Ranked game overall, but it should not be a punishable offense to play something for fun instead of playing it and being great at it. Nothing should be bannable due to skill (or lack there of).
nice table1 voteswhether this particular game is ranked or not doesn't really matter as he clearly does this in ranked either way. i'm not saying not trying to win in ranked should be bannable i just find it hilarious that apparently trying to prevent someone from not trying to win in a competitive environment is reportable.
Sqkerg6 votesYou assume that just because they don't pick their absolute best champion that they suddenly aren't trying to win. In reality they are still trying to win just as hard as you, they're just playing the champion they want to play.
nice table1 votesnot entirely sure why you would make the same post twice but here have another analogy, if your kid was hanging off of a cliff and i was trying to pull her up and i had a choice to attempt doing so with my arms or my teeth, would me trying my very best to pull her up using my teeth really be me trying my best to pull her up?
dolce de leche5 votesTrash analogy. This is a video game, no life is at steak in your norm draft game or even ranked promos. Also, since improving is how you get better and win more, they will have to be playing that thing they are not the best at if they want to be the best at it. If you wanted to play your second best champ, who would be better in that team comp/matchup, at least for you, you'd probs get mad. But it wouldn't be their best champ, so I should ban it. Also, stop with that bullshit bout high Elo, that's not the mentality up there. You'll see people hover a champ that they have a 33%wr with, and it won't be banned 9/10 times. People aren't all asholes like you. Some of us don't think that picking not our main isn't inting.
ModAttysu The Poro2 votesGreat statement you made. Addressed exactly what I was trying to say, but worded it better than me I admit.[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]
Sqkerg12 votesA. Now you're twisting statistics
B. Winrate isn't the whole story, there is much, much more that contributes to the statistic other than skill
C. You don't get to sacrifice someone else's enjoyment of the game just because you want that +5% chance of winning. (Which probably doesn't even exist now that you tilted them by banning their champ.)
nice table2 votesi thought it was pretty simple - stay out of ranked if you aren't trying to win. you still have normal draft, blind pick, vs ai to troll around.
Sqkerg6 votesJust because you're not playing your absolute best champ at all times does not mean you're suddenly not trying to win.
nice table1 votesokay so lets say your life depended on whether you win your next league game or not, would you A pick your best champion or B pick riven that you usually feed on and have a 40% win ratio on? if you lose more games than you win doing something then doing it again isn't "trying to win".
inuitmailman5 votesBut... it doesn't depend on life or death at all it's A GAME!
korg0233 votesI get its a dick move, but why would you punish a player for banning a champion i mean he is a dickhead but its just how life is :D
aspects11 votesmakes sense in some aspects riven generally screws up comps, as she isnt a tanky top many rivens are toxic if they dont do well they become a massive rather useless hindrance he might have thought your just a first time riven player wanting to play the new skin, and he doesn't want a loss
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(proxy farm the lane that banned riven).