The support is the only one who got the role they queued for. Luckily, everyone said they were auto-filled and we swapped so we all got our primary roles.
This system is clearly broken, and has been since it was created. Why isn't this being disabled, if not fixed, in ranked?
HR5OdeMImE30 votesSo many games are already decided at champ select because of autofill, its absurd nothing is done about it.
bloodybadger12 votesnot even autofill. one step before. most games are decided by team comps.
LXII13 votesComps are selected AFTER you've already been autofilled..
Also in low elo comps mean next to nothing. If people feed they lose and the comp never comes online.
bloodybadger13 votesgames are not decided by autofill games ARE decided by comps
you can be autofilled in any spot and have an easy lane if you know what to pick.
autofill affects your play AFTER your champ is selected and once youre in game. you dont need as much skill in a position if you pick a champion that is easier. id rather have an autofilled support play janna over thresh. with thresh we lose lane most likely, with janna i can win the lane. autofill means very little to me. champ choice and comps mean much more.
even if there are no autofills i see a veig beat an azir mid lane. not because veig is a better player (or the azir is autofilled) but because veig is infinitely easier.
71060670DEL19 votesI disagree. At low elo I've seen players pop off on champs like yasuo/azir/riven, but feed their butt off the next game because they picked for the comp and played a champ they are unfamiliar with.
Ben Sharpio26 votesautofill was added to appeal to casual players that don't care about climbing or quality ranked games. That's why a majority of players on the boards defend it because they dont play ranked games. I swear to god there are only a couple of people on here who are dedicated ranked players. Everyone else? just normal games/casual game modes.
Autofill is ruining the ranked ladder
SkeltzAlukard4 votes[{quoted}](name=Corsair Sion,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Fj1JuqtA,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2017-09-16T01:53:25.599+0000)
autofill was added to appeal to casual players that don't care about climbing or quality ranked games. That's why a majority of players on the boards defend it because they dont play ranked games. I swear to god there are only a couple of people on here who are dedicated ranked players. Everyone else? just normal games/casual game modes.
Autofill is ruining the ranked ladder
Hey. Im one of the non-casual players ! ;) I dont play ranked for fun or casually, i strictly play to climb and win. And get rewards aswell. I dont get how someone can queue up in ranked just to say 'i play for fun' when he goes 0/12/3. Luckily, i havent seen this since i climbed from silver-gold. Ontopic: Yes, autofill is an obnoxious way to shove 'support' in someone's ass. Also, if you, by any chance, get autofilled adc and/or jungle you lost. Those are 2 most important roles.
nice table2 votesim still kind of a casual i guess but i do enjoy the 10 times shorter queue times a lot so i can actually play the game more than sit in a queue.
i cant move wtf2 votesI don't think that's the full story. Autofill also decreases queue times significantly. Without it you will always get bottlenecked by whatever happens to be the least popular role at a given time (historically it's been support but that might have changed now). I don't think autofill's the problem. If a player gets autofilled to a role they're still good at then it's not a big deal. The problem is the only recourse we have to research this is clunkily through op.gg - using 3rd party resources. If this research could be done simply and cleanly in the client then this would become less and less of an issue.
I Q3 votes[{quoted}](name=Corsair Sion,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Fj1JuqtA,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2017-09-16T01:53:25.599+0000)
autofill was added to appeal to casual players that don't care about climbing or quality ranked games. That's why a majority of players on the boards defend it because they dont play ranked games. I swear to god there are only a couple of people on here who are dedicated ranked players. Everyone else? just normal games/casual game modes.
Autofill is ruining the ranked ladder
"Riot only balances around ESports, and doesn't care about the casual players!" Does something for Casuals "HOLY SHIT RIOT YOU ARE RUINING THE RANKED EXPERIENCE"
GayFluffyUnicorn3 votesWhat does game balance have to do with autofill? apples and bananas my friend.
AleksaTeemo2 votesDude,if you are a casual player you should not worry about the autofill.Most casual players are bronze-low diamond.There waiting time is 3 minutes at max without dodging.
General Esdeath 20 votesBecause if you say anything about it then the kids who don't play the game argue "MUH LONG QUEUE TIMES!" even though queue times really weren't changed until around d3/masters.
SkeltzAlukard3 votesBecause if you say anything about it then the kids who don't play the game argue "MUH LONG QUEUE TIMES!" even though queue times really weren't changed until around d3/masters.
Fun thing is they cry about Master-Challenger queue times while they are alot lower and probably wont ever climb to that level. Also, they take everything past gold 5 as a high elo. My queue times in Plat 4 are 20-30 seconds. Its not like a few years back when only a small % of the players were out of silver.
bloodybadger14 voteswow. 20-30s ? dang. mine are like 2-3 min on average. same elo. maybe its all the dodges and queue declines.
SkeltzAlukard1 votes[{quoted}](name=DANGER ZÔNE,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Fj1JuqtA,comment-id=000600000000,timestamp=2017-09-16T10:24:31.029+0000)
wow. 20-30s ? dang. mine are like 2-3 min on average. same elo. maybe its all the dodges and queue declines.
Yup. Well, Platinum isn't as high and fancy rank as it once was, thus, many players climbed to Plat or got boosted, hence the low queue time ? Im duo with a supp main. Maybe it has something to do with all of this ?
Not xPeke1 votesMaybe on EUNE.
On EUW it's still 2-3 mins on average. I very rarely have a 20-30s Queue O.o. And I have 2 accounts around plat 5-3.
It might also be because you have a Support in your duo though. Not sure.
SkeltzAlukard1 votes[{quoted}](name=Not xPeke,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Fj1JuqtA,comment-id=00060000000000000000,timestamp=2017-09-16T10:44:36.988+0000)
Maybe on EUNE.
On EUW it's still 2-3 mins on average. I very rarely have a 20-30s Queue O.o. And I have 2 accounts around plat 5-3.
It might also be because you have a Support in your duo though. Not sure.
We've got plat EUW accs and queue times arent much longer. 1:00 on average and 2:20 max. Not sure how you guy achive 3 mins XDD
Not xPeke1 votesDunno man, just saying what I've observed when I queue for Ranked ^^.
Might be depending on the time as well, I don't know.
I am 100% sure that I VERY RARELY get 20-30 seconds queues though.
SkeltzAlukard1 votes[{quoted}](name=Not xPeke,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Fj1JuqtA,comment-id=0006000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-09-16T13:20:15.047+0000)
Dunno man, just saying what I've observed when I queue for Ranked ^^.
Might be depending on the time as well, I don't know.
I am 100% sure that I VERY RARELY get 20-30 seconds queues though.
Might have to do something with winrate aswell ? Our winrates are very high, there might be a few queues ? Trash queue - for those below 50% winrate Normal queue - For those with 50 - 53% winrate and "smurf" queue for those with 60+% winrate ? Since an end of the season is near, i guess there are alot of smurfers/boosters in Platinum elo with 60+% winrate
Not xPeke1 votes? Never head of winrates affecting queue times. I'm not saying they 100% don't, but I personally don't think that's the case.
As far as I know queues are simply dependent on MMR and amount of players queueing up at the given time. Winrates are not taken into account, and I don't see why they would be. Again, I could be wrong but it doesn't make sense for winrates to affect queue times.
In addition to that, why would someone with a lower winrate take longer to find a match than someone with a higher winrate, or viceversa? Just makes no sense ^^.
SkeltzAlukard1 votes[{quoted}](name=Not xPeke,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Fj1JuqtA,comment-id=000600000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-09-16T16:09:41.543+0000)
? Never head of winrates affecting queue times. I'm not saying they 100% don't, but I personally don't think that's the case.
As far as I know queues are simply dependent on MMR and amount of players queueing up at the given time. Winrates are not taken into account, and I don't see why they would be. Again, I could be wrong but it doesn't make sense for winrates to affect queue times.
In addition to that, why would someone with a lower winrate take longer to find a match than someone with a higher winrate, or viceversa? Just makes no sense ^^.
Yes i said it randomly. Just guessing. It sounded stupid at first tbh lmao.
Not xPeke1 votesHahaha hey, it could be though!
Riot is not very clear and transparent with many things, so who knows, it could be part of their algorithm! :P
Not likely, but still possible. Fair guess.
GayFluffyUnicorn2 votesWell it's obvious that when you q with a duo especially support it gets way faster than solo. When smurfing with a friend in plat 5 we get games in 20 seconds.
Trias0001 votesQueue times would be much longer if the autofill was disabled and everyone would get their primary role most of the time. So either we keep the autofill, or return to the old pattern where if you selected mid/supp, it equaled to just supp.
General Esdeath 1 votesIf you queue'd as support, it means you're willing to play it. I pick support/top each time.
nice table1 votesas someone who used to have 30 min queue times and now has 2~ min queue times i appreciate autofill.
General Esdeath 1 voteswhat rank?
nice table1 votesabout mid-low dia
General Esdeath 1 votesSo around d3/d4? That's exactly where I said it starts to be an issue. But in gold/silver/bronze? Nah. In plat? Nah.
nice table1 votesneh there were also 20 min queues in plat and what not
Latex Choker1 votesI get 20 min queues whenever I'm in my promos in high plat because the game cannot autofill me.
General Esdeath 1 voteshigh plat I could see because now it's throwing in diamonds and that's around the area of one tricks.
Gelmous15 voteslol when autofilled was released it was praised and anyone daring to dislike it was downvoted to oblivion, this system was flawed the moment it was out
notice me Sin pi7 votesthe concept of autofill is definitely worthy of praise. The algorithm that RitoGames uses is flawed however.
Yenn14 votesLol I just got a 30 second queue into another game where two other players were auto-filled.
This fuck up of a system needs to be disabled in ranked until it's changed to prioritize good match-ups over fast match-ups.
Stillname1 votesWas your 4 player auto-fill after someone didn't accept the queue or after a dodge?
It seems like when someone doesn't accept queue or players come out of a dodged lobby the queue system fucks up.
It is like it puts them into the front of the line and rushes to put them into a game as fast as possible regardless of their roles.
Ahri Inari8 votesI get mid 95% of the time and auto-fill less than 1%. Are you sure they didn't get 2nd role and pretended to be auto-filled?
Edit : I queue mid -> support
One356 voteshttp://www.geeksforgeeks.org/maximum-bipartite-matching/
Matching people to their preferred roles is one of the most well-studied and common problems in programming lol, IDK how the client is messing it up like this
Small indie company Rito pls
Roelo5 votesMost of the people who tell me they got autofilled actually mean they got their secondary role if you ask them about what roles they picked. Maybe that was also the case here.
ModAcademy Kayn3 votesIf 4 people got autofilled, and got roles they aren't used to, then maybe, I don't know, ya'll could switch around roles. I do it all the time, offer to take Support for an autofilled. Coordination between teammates is a thing ya know.
Teridax683 votesSituations like these suggest that there's a lot of improvement to be had left with the matchmaking system, for sure. I cannot say this with full confidence, but from the looks of it it seems like matchmaking autofills players into a role before placing them into the lobby, which leads to these kooky situations where everybody gets autofilled into the wrong position, despite nobody needing to get autofilled in the first place.
At this point I think Riot needs to acknowledge that getting autofilled is a very bad feeling in itself, and should only be used as a last recourse when a team really needs a player in a role that cannot be easily found. Getting autofilled for no reason, as was the case in the OP's situation, I think feels especially disrespectful of the player's wishes, as the latter is being forced to change their plans and potentially play something they don't enjoy with no real justification behind it, besides some quirk of the matchmaking system. If the intent is somehow to get players to try out new roles, that is something players should either decide on their own or be incentivized to do through missions, not something players should be forced to do, especially in ranked play.
SSrikeShadow2 votesI have stated time and again that autofill has done nothing for queue times. Because I experienced queue times before it existed and afterwards to see absolutely no change. Long queue times exist for me because of dodges and afkers only. When teambuilder existed, I could main 1 single champion, constantly dodge team comps that were incompatible with that champion, still have a shorter time from login to first creep kill time than I do now with autofill (even with my dodges it would be about 15minutes including login, queue, dodges and load screen) and have an 80-90% win rate with that champion. I miss teambuilder so bad now :((((((
Akali Prime2 votesone time i got autofilled in jg when i chose top and the top go autofilled top when he chose jg we didnt figure that out until the game was already started
[slayer-jinx-unamused]
MonkeyMadness2 votesHow is that even possible??? Like even if all 5 of you queued for support and an identical secondary role (which is retardedly unlikely, even assuming support has equal popularity to other roles), one of you is REQUIRED to get their secondary. This actually sounds like a deliberate attempt to satisfy some kind of hidden autofill quota...
BoNaFiDeOuTkAsT1 votesI thought autofill was a a thing because then the whole world would have to wait for a support to come online.
Anyways, agreed, FOUR autofills is not okay. Especially since they all could've gotten their roles that game!!!!
StonePlatypus1 votesThe support is the only one who got the role they queued for. Luckily, everyone said they were auto-filled and we swapped so we all got our primary roles.
This system is clearly broken, and has been since it was created. Why isn't this being disabled, if not fixed, in ranked?
Riot or our overlords and masters. To suggest they can do any wrong is heresy and grounds for shunning. I for one am shocked and disgusted that you would even suggest Riot wasn't perfect in every single way. Clearly if they think were pieces of trash you need to accept that fact about life. They did with me, and I have accepted there good word. Please reconsider your thoughts, free willed thinking isn't something to be proud off.
SlowChemical1 votesYou didn't even get to queue for a position in ranked a few years ago. You had to talk it out with your team. Continue to do this, you'll be fine.
Yenn1 votesRofl, I'm now queuing mid/support in an effort to stop auto-fill from sabotaging bottom lane, and the system just auto-filled someone queued top/mid into support, while I was given mid, rather than giving both of us one of our desired roles.
Can someone at Riot please take responsibility for this massive fuck up and disable it?