I'm looking forward to when the Poppy rework comes out and everyone is suddenly a Poppy main.

Slamurai Jack·Oct 15, 2015·37 votes·2,242 views

I can't wait to see how they try to defend her current passive and ult and how Riot is a horrible company for changing their beloved champion in such a drastic way. "But her passive and Ult were core to Poppy's identity!" they'll cry. And they're right, those 2 things were the core of Poppy's identity. Doesn't change the fact that they're 2 of the most anti-fun, no counterplay things Riot has ever designed and should have been changed years ago.

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BastionKrossOct 15, 201510 votes

It happens every rework. Fans of the champion, unhappy that their champion is being imminently changed, will naturally come to these forums and try to make themselves heard. It's not that Poppy has no mains, it's just they're quiet now because Riot has told them next to nothing regarding her new self. So what are they going to critique?

And just for the record, I believe most Poppy mains will acknowledge that Poppy's passive and ult are problems for her balance-wise. But they will get angry if that load of power is taken away from her and not distributed to her kit in healthier ways. The Poppy rework isn't to nerf her, it's to reinvent her in a way that's better for game balance. So when the kit is finally announced and/or put on the PBE, you better believe Poppy fans will come out of their hiding places to make sure Riot is treating her with respect. I would expect no less from the fans of any champion, especially after what happened to Mordekaiser and Cassiopeia .

MohawkBirdOct 16, 20152 votes

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BastionKrossOct 16, 20151 votes

It's not difficult to hate Riot after all the stunts they've pulled lately. Even if you're not a fan of the champions getting changed in unfavorable ways, you can still get angry at Riot for ignoring their mains. Because one day, Riot could decide your champion needs a rework, and completely ignore all your feedback just like they're doing now. Even people who don't play Morde are appalled at how his players are being treated, like the Cass fans were treated.

About Poppy specifically, we only know very little. We do know she's going to be a tank. Did Riot ask Poppy players if they wanted her to be a tank? No. Does Riot care what Poppy fans think while they're doing her rework? Perhaps slightly. Will Riot care about Poppy fans if her reworked kit is put on the PBE and they loathe it? No. They'll force it through because they've spent so long on a kit that it will go live. They've invested too much time and money into her rework just to have the fans veto it near the end.

And the worst part? They could have just asked. "Hey Poppy mains, we're thinking of making Poppy into a tank. What do you think about that?" "We think that's bad. We don't play Poppy because she's a tank. Don't do that." "Even if we retain her Q and E?" "Even then, though we do like her Q and E and hope you guys keep it." "....Okay, back to the drawing board!"

Something similar to this actually happened near the end of season 3 with Yorick. The Rioter that was making the reworked kit was all kinds of interactive with Yorick fans. It actually got to the point where he posted two kits and had players pick from which one they liked better and why. Sadly, this process is lengthy, and that Rioter got pulled off the rework to work on the season 4 preseason. But can you imagine how much better it would have turned out if Riot did that for Morde and Cass? And others?

InphernalOct 15, 20156 votes

OG Poppy main here. Represent Poppy

A Miss FortuneOct 15, 20154 votes

I think the most unfun thing for the enemy team is when the Poppy spams cntrl 2 all game long.

"Why don't you just lay down your weapons now" after failing a gank "Why don't you just lay down your weapons now" after failing a flash "Why don't you just lay down your weapons now" as your team gets aced

Slamurai JackOct 15, 20153 votes

I could've sworn the most unfun thing is when she dives into your team 1v5 under both your nexus towers late game and kills 3 people before dying.

A Miss FortuneOct 15, 20151 votes

Have you heard her dialogue?

Slamurai JackOct 15, 20156 votes

Her dialogue doesn't make me lose 20 LP because we didn't end the game before 35 minutes.

A Miss FortuneOct 15, 20151 votes

It can tilt people reallllllly hard trust me.

Valoran WILL know harmony.

Silents429Oct 15, 20154 votes

It's especially hilarious for Mordekaiser. You'd think with all the supposed mains coming out he would have actually gotten played at all, I was in stitches when they tried to argue how Mordekaiser wasn't broken and was currently balanced.

I can't wait for the Poppy mains.

charcharmunroOct 15, 20152 votes

I actually like the idea of her ult, but in practice it just becomes "ult the one with the least damage, stomp the rest of the team". Looking at another MOBA (gasp) character that has a similar ultimate, Ravana's ultimate in Smite is of a similar effect to the "disregard everybody else, go for one person"... Though his is also a bit like Vi's in that he charges to a selected enemy and shoves everybody else aside, the "like Poppy" bit is because takes far less damage from anybody else for the duration. I doubt they'll really keep that sort of thing for Poppy at any rate, because it's hard to balance right, or some such.

Slamurai JackOct 15, 20153 votes

It's a stupid concept even when used as intended. As you said, most Poppy's just ult the person with the least CC and then murder everyone else. But even using it on the target she intends to kill is extremely problematic. She's still immune to any possible aid that person could receive in the form of CC or damage and towers are also worthless.

League is balanced as a team game and Poppy's ult completely throws that idea out the window. With this game so focused around squishy glass cannon carries that are protected by tankier, more utility oriented teammates, an ability that just lets you bypass all of that and murder the MVP is just stupid. Poppy is basically an assassin with none of the nuance or skill required by other assassins. Run up, ult the enemy MVP, kill them, and then either run away or turn to help your team. The fact that you can also choose to just ult a support and then kill everyone else with impunity for 8 seconds just makes an already stupid concept into a completely broken one.

Hyrum GraffOct 15, 20151 votes

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It's a stupid concept even when used as intended. As you said, most Poppy's just ult the person with the least CC and then murder everyone else. But even using it on the target she intends to kill is extremely problematic. She's still immune to any possible aid that person could receive in the form of CC or damage and towers are also worthless.

League is balanced as a team game and Poppy's ult completely throws that idea out the window. With this game so focused around squishy glass cannon carries that are protected by tankier, more utility oriented teammates, an ability that just lets you bypass all of that and murder the MVP is just stupid. Poppy is basically an assassin with none of the nuance or skill required by other assassins. Run up, ult the enemy MVP, kill them, and then either run away or turn to help your team. The fact that you can also choose to just ult a support and then kill everyone else with impunity for 8 seconds just makes an already stupid concept into a completely broken one.

Yeah. If riot weren't already doing a large-scale poppy rework, I'd say they should make Poppy's ult give non-ulted enemies immunity to Poppy, too. When you ult someone, it should be turning the fight into a 1v1. Not a 4v0.

AdaloreOct 16, 20151 votes

Yeah I was talking to my friends about making Poppy only able to interact with one target if she was allowed to keep the ult. Make it so the target cannot be hurt either by other people.

It would still make buffing teams strong vs and with her on the same team.

A LiberalOct 15, 20152 votes

Im leaving my mark now saying that I do indeed enjoy playing poppy and have a bit of experience with her. Not a main by any means but I understand her kit.

NeoLeeCapoOct 15, 20152 votes

I've been recently playing Poppy Jungle. I got to admit, I am starting like her. She's growing on me. I am by no means a Poppy main, but i enjoy her.

wasnt my FAULTOct 15, 20151 votes

yo for real poppy is one of my faves while the passive is anti fun and the ult also the ult is just too fun to use personally like usually I just use it on the carry while they focus someone else cuz I like big numbers tbh

3tysonOct 15, 20151 votes

im not a poppy player buy when i read stuff about her im surpriced we dont see her allot more especialy in lcs

as stated by riot their keeping her early game so terrible because of her ridiclouse op late game (ult and passive mainly :P )

id imagen pro players would trade popys early game for a better early game by letting the suport babysit her

than come back with a strong late game

i really dont understand why the adc always has the babysitter id imagen there could be allot more lane diversity if there be some champs that have an easy time holding tower/csing 1v2 early game

where you could send your suport top lane to help nassus get his easy early stacks ( he wont need the suport that long annyways ) and gurantee that he can snowball

Hyrum GraffOct 15, 20151 votes

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im not a poppy player buy when i read stuff about her im surpriced we dont see her allot more especialy in lcs

as stated by riot their keeping her early game so terrible because of her ridiclouse op late game (ult and passive mainly :P )

id imagen pro players would trade popys early game for a better early game by letting the suport babysit her

than come back with a strong late game

i really dont understand why the adc always has the babysitter id imagen there could be allot more lane diversity if there be some champs that have an easy time holding tower/csing 1v2 early game

where you could send your suport top lane to help nassus get his easy early stacks ( he wont need the suport that long annyways ) and gurantee that he can snowball

It's because adcs scale poorly with levels, so they're the most okay with being in a duo lane, compared to bruisers, mages, tanks, or assassins.

RalanrOct 15, 20151 votes

Considering how she is a 450 IP champion, we'll see her a lot.

MyTeamIsAwsomeOct 15, 20151 votes

What actual people Say sometimes:(I Am a Poppy main and i Can approve with the 3 game i did 1 year ago that poppy ult is balanced and that she as alot of couterplay)

JungHai0Oct 15, 20151 votes

Preface: I am not a Poppy main. I don't have 1000 games on Poppy. However, I have played her a good bit and hopefully know what I am talking about.

Yes, I agree. While Poppy is fun as heck to play, she is not fun to play against. Her ult has almost no counterplay at all. That's bad. However, I am still very, very, scared of the Poppy rework. I'm scared that Riot will pull a Mordekaiser and distribute her power just as unevenly as it is now. I'm scared that they will pull a Casseopia, doing whatever they want, then not responding to anything the community says until the controversy dies down. You are right. Poppy's identity is based on her Passive and Ult. What does she do? Wades into teams with little disregard for anything, and takes someone down. You are right that her passive and ult are not okay and need to be fixed. What I hope is that Riot can do what they did for Sion and change those unhealthy mechanics WITHOUT destroying what drew me to her in the first place. Riot has successfully reworked champions before. I'm hoping they can do it now.

ComannderShepardOct 16, 20151 votes

I wont be a main but I can finally use my lolipoppy skin to devour souls

kaltenashesOct 16, 20151 votes

i read that her ult was going to change... item 3070

Kojiro SasakiOct 19, 20151 votes

I love Poppy. She's in my top 3 favorites. I completely disagree that her ult and passive define her... I'd argue that something to the "effect" of her passive defines her, (they're keeping a part of it for this reason) but her ult can easily change and I wouldn't care. I'd say the only core thing about poppy I'd want them to keep is her gap closer that doubles as a wall bash stun, and guess what? They're keeping that. The Poppy rework will probably be pretty good.