People complainant Azir's competitive dominance

blfUvZ8Ybu·Jun 28, 2016·1 votes·602 views

Meanwhile Elise and Lissandra aren't problem for them.Especially Elise.

Stay hypocrite.

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MarshbouyJun 28, 20165 votes

because elise and lissandrad can't melt teams in seconds with their abilites. They don't have the same amount of sustained damage. they dont have the same amount of mobility and play making. a lot of stuff TBH. I aint challenger. I am just throwing up my ideas. Dont call me a retard too much guys.

blfUvZ8YbuJun 28, 20161 votes

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because elise and lissandrad can't melt teams in seconds with their abilites. They don't have the same amount of sustained damage. they dont have the same amount of mobility and play making. a lot of stuff TBH. I aint challenger. I am just throwing up my ideas. Dont call me a retard too much guys.

But they have same dominance.

Also every champion has feature.

Azir's feature are different other champions too.

MarshbouyJun 28, 20163 votes

yes and every champion has massive AOE magic damage that is basically an APC. Yes all of them.

blfUvZ8YbuJun 28, 20161 votes

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yes and every champion has massive AOE magic damage that is basically an APC. Yes all of them.

Yes every champion has early game burst and tank (for Elise), %100 CC and early game power(for Liss).

Yes all of them.

But I'm looking.Azir's early game is weak but Lissandra and Elise are powerful.

MarshbouyJun 28, 20164 votes

azirs early game is weak? HA! It's weak compared to his late game.l

actually a lot of champions have early game burst and tank, not to mention CC and early game power... Annie Maokai Chogath Udyr Zac

blfUvZ8YbuJun 28, 20161 votes

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azirs early game is weak? HA! It's weak compared to his late game.l

actually a lot of champions have early game burst and tank, not to mention CC and early game power...

Azir's early game is weak.If you are saying Azir's early game is strong don't write anymore because you don't know the game.

But Liss and Elise early game is strong don't be hypocrite.

MarshbouyJun 28, 20164 votes

his early game isn't terrible, but it certainly isnt considered weak.

I never said they weren't strong, do you know what hypocrite means?

blfUvZ8YbuJun 28, 20161 votes

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his early game isn't terrible, but it certainly isnt considered weak.

I never said they weren't strong, do you know what hypocrite means?

Azir's early game isn't strong.Azir's early game is weak because no kill pressure, (I don't remember to other champions) because Azir has no burst so enemy has big counterplay.Also Azir hasn't natural CC.Azir is so weak until Nashor, Azir is weak until Rylai.NET!

MarshbouyJun 28, 20164 votes

so his zoning, burst, play making, DPS. None of that exists until he has nashors and rylais. right.

blfUvZ8YbuJun 28, 20161 votes

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so his zoning, burst, play making, DPS. None of that exists until he has nashors and rylais. right.

Azir's burst? Joke? Learn Azir.

Azir hasn't burst.DPS champions hasn't burst.Since when do you play?

Viktor burst, Liss burst, Anivia burst, Vlad burst, Orianna burst

Azir isn't burst.

Also all control mages zoning, play making.

Orianna's ult, Viktor's burst(play making), Anivia's combo, Ryze's combo.

MarshbouyJun 28, 20164 votes

so the Q auto auto thunderlords doesnt exist? what? At level 3 he can deal 210 ish damage with literally just a W Q auto auto.

not everyone needs LB level burst buddy.

ignore my points about zoning and playmaking tho

blfUvZ8YbuJun 28, 20161 votes

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so the Q auto auto thunderlords doesnt exist? what? At level 3 he can deal 210 ish damage with literally just a W Q auto auto.

not everyone needs LB level burst buddy.

ignore my points about zoning and playmaking tho

Third hit and you're saying burst? Three hits? At level 3 he can spend 180 mana.So his skills don't allow.

I don't compare Lb's burst but Azir hasn't burst.Third hit isn't burst.Since when was? Moreover Nashor and Azir's w attack speed tell it.

MarshbouyJun 28, 20164 votes

STILL IGNORING MY POINTS ABOUT ZONING AND PLAYMAKING. I AM TRULY SURPRISED. Yes. That is burst. It is 210 damage at level 2 within 2 seconds. He doesn't even need level 3 to do it. That is a good amount of damage in a short period of time, that is what burst is.

blfUvZ8YbuJun 28, 20161 votes

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STILL IGNORING MY POINTS ABOUT ZONING AND PLAYMAKING. I AM TRULY SURPRISED. Yes. That is burst. It is 210 damage at level 2 within 2 seconds. He doesn't even need level 3 to do it. That is a good amount of damage in a short period of time, that is what burst is.

IGNORING? You can read my post.No.That isn't burst.210 damage isn't in a second.210 damage is in three or four seconds.

Burst isn't three or four seconds.Burst 0.5 or 1 second.DPS is three or four seconds.

Do you know meaning of burst?

MarshbouyJun 28, 20164 votes

you are an idiot. You still have no addressed my points about zoning and playmaking, instead you retreated and made an edit to your previous comment. Smooth.

210 damage in 2 seconds (yes 2 seconds, not 3 or 4) is still more burst than what the majority of midlane mages can pull off.

blfUvZ8YbuJun 28, 20161 votes

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you are an idiot. You still have no addressed my points about zoning and playmaking, instead you retreated and made an edit to your previous comment. Smooth.

210 damage in 2 seconds (yes 2 seconds, not 3 or 4) is still more burst than what the majority of midlane mages can pull off.

You are an idiot too.210 damage in 2 seconds isn't burst.Learn.Burst is maximum in a second.Learn meaning of the burst.

QuephaJun 28, 20164 votes

Because Azir, when played by a highly skilled player, feels like he has no weaknesses at any point in the game. Hyperscaling hypercarry who can pivot from a hypersafe waveclear bot to practically an assassin in an instant with mobility combined with his ult into the shurima shuffle.

Elise feels like she's playing for all her nonsense by falling off hard in terms of damage and not having too much to do if she can't land her cocoon. Lissandra's damage output is only mediocre at all stages of the game and she has a very clear telegraph of where she's going to blink to when she is trying to lock down your carry.

blfUvZ8YbuJun 28, 20161 votes

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Because Azir, when played by a highly skilled player, feels like he has no weaknesses at any point in the game. Hyperscaling hypercarry who can pivot from a hypersafe waveclear bot to practically an assassin in an instant with mobility combined with his ult into the shurima shuffle.

Elise feels like she's playing for all her nonsense by falling off hard in terms of damage and not having too much to do if she can't land her cocoon. Lissandra's damage output is only mediocre at all stages of the game and she has a very clear telegraph of where she's going to blink to when she is trying to lock down your carry.

Same applies for Elise and Liss.Your idea but I think Elise and Liss too.

You're saying champions features.Champion feature isn't excuse you learn this.

Elise and Liss are so strong on right hands.So I don't like hypocrite people.

MarshbouyJun 28, 20162 votes

anyone is strong in the right hands. The difference between a master azir and a master elise is fucking insane.

blfUvZ8YbuJun 28, 20161 votes

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anyone is strong in the right hands. The difference between a master azir and a master elise is fucking insane.

All champions are strong the right hands.

QuephaJun 28, 20163 votes

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Same applies for Elise and Liss.Your idea but I think Elise and Liss too.

You're saying champions features.Champion feature isn't excuse you learn this.

Elise and Liss are so strong on right hands.So I don't like hypocrite people.

Elise and Liss have weaknesses you can articulate so you understand what things you can do to do better against their players even if they're better than you (although executing it is still difficult and there are things the enemy player can do about it)

That is not the case for Azir. When you play against him, your only plan is "well I hope his player sucks"

blfUvZ8YbuJun 28, 20161 votes

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Elise and Liss have weaknesses you can articulate so you understand what things you can do to do better against their players even if they're better than you (although executing it is still difficult and there are things the enemy player can do about it)

That is not the case for Azir. When you play against him, your only plan is "well I hope his player sucks"

Azir has weakness like Elise and Liss.That is not the case for other champions. When you play against them, your only plan is "well I hope their player sucks"

Because Azir mains good with Azir.This isn't excuse.Learn this.BECAUSE AZIR MAINS, AZIR MAINS!!!

ModWulf HelhammerJun 28, 20163 votes

Not to mention gets countered pretty hard by a QSS

blfUvZ8YbuJun 28, 20161 votes

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Not to mention gets countered pretty hard by a QSS

QSS isn't excuse.QSS works against all champions.

MarshbouyJun 28, 20162 votes

except for all those ones where it doesn't. Fiora Trundle Zed

blfUvZ8YbuJun 28, 20161 votes

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except for all those ones where it doesn't.

No.Include this champions.

ModWulf HelhammerJun 28, 20162 votes

Go ahead. Buy a QSS against an Azir. That much MR isn't going to shit against sustained damage, and what are you going to use the active on? The Rylai's slow that is applied again as soon as he hits you?

blfUvZ8YbuJun 28, 20161 votes

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Go ahead. Buy a QSS against an Azir. That much MR isn't going to shit against sustained damage, and what are you going to use the active on? The Rylai's slow that is applied again as soon as he hits you?

Yes Qss is good against Azir.Especially his Rylai slowing.Qss is good against all champions.You said Rylai's slowing and you blame Azir? Nice logic.

Your paradox...

ModWulf HelhammerJun 29, 20161 votes

Rylai's slows on every soldier auto attack. You won't have created enough space to get out of range after the first attack, even after using QSS, so you will still be hit by the second attack, thereby wasting a cooldown, accomplishing nothing.

And I wasn't saying anything about Rylai's. Instead, I was addressing your flagrantly false statement that QSS works against all champions. Which it doesn't.

ModWulf HelhammerJun 28, 20162 votes

How about this then:

What to you doesn't make Azir OP/too strong? Or rather, why is Azir not strong in your opinion?

blfUvZ8YbuJun 28, 20161 votes

Riot admitted they are nerfing champions according to competitive but Elise and Lissandra are their favourite champions? Especially Elise?

Elise viable all time for competitive.

ModWulf HelhammerJun 28, 20163 votes

Yeah no she hasn't. There was a huge stretch where she was practically garbage.

And they look into nerfing champs if they are a problem in competative play, not just if they are in it, and even then it's usually only if they are a problem elsewhere....which Lissandra and Elise aren't.

blfUvZ8YbuJun 28, 20161 votes

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Yeah no she hasn't. There was a huge stretch where she was practically garbage.

And they look into nerfing champs if they are a problem in competative play, not just if they are in it, and even then it's usually only if they are a problem elsewhere....which Lissandra and Elise aren't.

No.Liss and Elise problem too.Especially Elise problem.

ModWulf HelhammerJun 28, 20163 votes

Care to provide some evidence for that? Give me stats, otherwise this is just another one of your rambling posts complaining about stuff.

And while I admit Elise is strong in competative, she is far from overbearing, and is neither of those in non-competative.

blfUvZ8YbuJun 28, 20161 votes

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Care to provide some evidence for that? Give me stats, otherwise this is just another one of your rambling posts complaining about stuff.

And while I admit Elise is strong in competative, she is far from overbearing, and is neither of those in non-competative.

Look leaguepedia.Elise is so strong for 2 years.But no one complainan about Elise.

ModWulf HelhammerJun 28, 20162 votes

Nananana. You look for it. You made the claim, burden of proof is on you. Find the evidence, provide links.

And you really don't know much if you think no one has complained about Elise when she was strong

blfUvZ8YbuJun 28, 20161 votes

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Nananana. You look for it. You made the claim, burden of proof is on you. Find the evidence, provide links.

And you really don't know much if you think no one has complained about Elise when she was strong

No Elise and Liss are strong competitive champions like Azir.Same situation.

ModWulf HelhammerJun 29, 20161 votes

Then. Show. Me.

Go, find the evidence, give me a link.

blfUvZ8YbuJun 29, 20161 votes