Why do we always complain about stats, instead of the champions abusing the stats?

Cloud273··3 votes·771 views

Everyone says that lethality is strong, but the fact is every AD scaling champ has access to it. But we all know not all champions are the same, so some champions will synergize with it better than others. Instead of nerfing a stat, why don't we just target the champions who are actually a problem? Talon got one small buff, and all of a sudden he has like a 56%+ winrate everywhere in diamond+.

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Ralanr3 votes

Because no one wants see a champion get Sejuanied.

Big Lincoln1 votes

he's saying nerf the champs instead of the items

which I would be okay with because I love me some lethality Illaoi

Ralanr3 votes

Didn't Sejuani get nerfed before cunderhulk was?

Big Lincoln2 votes

yeah and she was still pretty good after that

like the only necessary nerf to these items is edge of night CD, spammable spell shield is extremely stupid. It should probably be closer to 50 CD

Ralanr1 votes

So I'm not exactly wrong in the use of the term.

Big Lincoln1 votes

no but you're using it in the wrong context. the OP is saying nerf the champs who abuse the items while leaving the items alone

which I wouldn't mind because I would benefit greatly from that

Ralanr1 votes

And I'm just pointing out why people aren't arguing that.

Geauxx2 votes

Yes, sej got dumpstered, and then after they they hard nerfed cinderhulk and never rebuffed sej.

So she stayed in a bottomless pit of barely usefulness if that.

Big Lincoln1 votes

no she didn't, lol. Sejuani was strong all through season 6; season 7 is what killed her because of the heavy focus on junglers with strong early games pushing her out

Geauxx1 votes

? You do realize this was during season 5 right? After the sej/cinderhulk nerf, at the time before other's received multiple nerfs along the way she went from a top tier with almost no contest to a barely playable champion.

Shonjl1 votes

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Didn't Sejuani get nerfed before cunderhulk was?

She got hard nerfed due to Cinderhulk release, then Cinderhulk got hard nerfed. She is still usable but man is she pitiful compared to what she used to be.

Cloud2731 votes

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Because no one wants see a champion get Sejuanied.

And then you look at her win rate and realize she actually isn't that bad.

http://champion.gg/statistics/#?sortBy=general.winPercent&order=descend

Ralanr1 votes

I am not arguing her current state of balance. I'm just explaining why people ask for item nerfs first.

Cloud2731 votes

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I am not arguing her current state of balance. I'm just explaining why people ask for item nerfs first.

You made it seem like Sejuani got completely gutted, which is complete bullsh*t.

Ralanr1 votes

That is the common perception.

Wînter Fox1 votes

This is dumb. The whole point is to find the cause of the issue. Champions like Varus were unheard of before the Lethality changes, and now you want him nerfed?

Geauxx1 votes

Because most of the champions that are strong with lethality weren't strong beforehand.

Also to do what you say, a champion will more than likely get nerfed hard from it, then lethality will get nerfed because it is strong, and that champion will never be rebuffed

(sejuani is an example- post cinderhulk nerf.)

MissingKayo1 votes

The champions are fine unless the stats are broken.

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