Credit goes to /u/b0n3rdrag0n for pointing this out. Apparently when Cho gets enough stacks he gets too large to apply either aura because of his auto attack range increase.
This is a shame because abyssal mask really synergizes well with his vorpal spikes.
C9 Squeeky 20 votesWhile my suggestion does nothing for 
, I think they should've left the aura range on 
but make the magic damage amp for allies only. That was the purpose/design of the item after all, to buff your allies, and it would be ineffective as a midlaner purchase.
They should make the aura ranges based off champion model size. That really sucks for 
Azadethe2 votesThe original purpose was actually to enhance self casting mages. Remember: Abyssal Staff was a core option for champs like 
or 
It seems like they are trying to flip around its usefulness to a purely tank item that only 
can use properly out of all the champs in the roster. The rest.... you get out of their skill ranges too fast for Abyssal to be useful. Even can't really use it now, because her R has a much larger range than Abyssal does.
This seems like their attempt to get people to use 
which they've also nerfed into the ground.
Even 
can't use the current , which is going to nerf him even more..... Dunno why they hate Ornn.
C9 Squeeky 11 votes came from the Tank update last mid season, where they also introduced 
. It was designed to be a tank item for tanks, who want to give utility to their allies. That was also kinda the point of taking it away from mages, every non-artillery mage used to buy Abyssal Scepter because it was too good in both offense & defense. AP, MR plus increased dmg % (or reducing enemy MR = mPen) = even more dmg.
Actually even before the Abyssal nerf, was outperforming Abyssal even when vs magic damage-heavy comps.
Azadethe3 votesRod of Ages has not been outperforming anything since Season 5. There's a very real reason almost no no champions get it:
Supports don't build RoA, because there are at least 7 more gold efficient and actually support items.
Mids don't build it because their options were Morellonomicon or 
(Now especially) or 
Even as a second or third tier item, it simply doesn't get bought, because the followups are 
**Also, we entered the assassin meta, which pretty much made scaling and capped HP items a really bad choice. A no Armor Mage = any AD assassin or adc does amplified damage to you, and can often 1 shot you. No Resist builds = counters like 
are guaranteed domination because you have no item mobility. Furthermore, each assassin item has CDR ......
**
In addition, adcs were given 
which made making an HP mage hazardous to your health in EVERY game.
Basically...... became a garbage item in every single example, except vs Tanks ...... which wait for it..... do % damage (which means it also sucked vs them).
basically became an ARAM item, and only because they removed support items.
C9 Squeeky 2 voteshttps://youtu.be/IhH-f5FMoPM?t=54m57s
Not having any resistances puts you closer to true damage, which is worse than giving your opponents %HP dmg. Having only 1 resistance type makes you vulnerable to the other. HP is valuable vs all, including True Dmg.
GigglesO2 votesRiot removed almost all auras for a reason...
RiotRiotRepertoir15 votesWe're currently working on an under the hood thing to allow us to be able to account for hitboxes in cases like this in particular. Not sure if that will get into 8.7, but hoping so.
M00ndanc31 votessweet! I can go back to being satisfied with chilling smite/ cinderhulk support chogath
Sp33d Zer05 votesJust set it back to edge to edge. At 350 range even edge to edge is fine for the range, but if you are concerned lower to 300/325.
Z3Sleeper2 votesI'm sure they know that, I think he's saying they're trying to figure out how to do it from a coding standpoint.
Sp33d Zer03 votesWell it was coded edge to edge before.
Seeing as how chogaths hitbox grows edge to edge already applies to his size increase.
Z3Sleeper1 votesWell then his statement makes 0 sense if that's the case.
Edit: Nevermind see Rito response.
RiotRiotRepertoir8 votesYes, it's a coding thing. It wasn't edge to edge before. It was center of user to edge of enemy. It just didn't really matter because the size was bigger.
ShadowtehGreat1 votesIf you extend the flat radius from the champions edge outwards, the over all effective area covered would be proportionally larger on large hit box champions like 
and than it would be on champions with a smaller hit box. Not sure if that would be intended or something not considered much of an issue.
Auroramancer3 votesJust make these aura AoEs edge-to-edge instead of center-to-center or center-to-edge...
Profirix1 votesThank you for addressing this. It really was a shame when I found out that Abyssal Mask was useless on late game Cho'Gath.
Illâoi Evê Siôn1 votesQuick question, who is the lead gameplay designer on Irelia's VGU? I'm looking for a place to leave feedback.
BobaFlautist10 votesThat's what happens when you measure center to center instead of edge to edge.
Funnily enough, this also means it's really hard to use sunfire and abyssal against him.
: Face the power of the sun!
300-stack- : The what now?
DeusVult1 votesWhich is why sunfire, bami cinder, cinderhulk and Mask's AoE should be measured from the edge of a champs model outwards, because other than Kayne/Tahm Kench no one is ever going to be inside another champion.
Measuring from the outside would allow larger tanks to get effective use out of these items
Techhead01 votesToo bad that, according to patch notes, it's actually center-to-edge.
Silverjust8 votesIf they want this items to be mainly built on tanks, they should make the radius scale with size, because tanks are generally larger than other champs
Kivolan4 votesPfft Electrocute full AP Cho'gath is the way to go in this shitty meta. Assassins can't 100-0 him due to his high health pool, but guess what... Cho can 100-0 you :D
ps this reply was mainly sarcasm, Cho is better built as a tank in 70% of games. There are only a few matchups I go full AP in
Profirix2 votesFull AP Cho is actually really freaking fun.
Häxel2 votesyou also can 100-0 with full health build and cause chos healthscalings plus you have real tankyness so no real reason to build any ap. I would be happy if cho players wer emore forced to build at least for damage similar to galio.
Automated Riven1 votesNot anymore you can't
Ok sure but why4 votesOh well 
Saezio4 votesRevert the changes and make it melee only item. It is A OKAY to make sterak and hydras not usable to adc but mages are untouchable? The item was unhealthy on ryze/cassio because it made them skip the early weak lane phase but why should the rest suffer?
Wild Geese3 votesSpeaking of which, is there any hard data on the various champion collision sizes out the? I haven't had any luck finding them.
woodvsmurph2 votesThe hitbox for those items has been adjusted in the past - and probably will again - to adjust for his changing hitbox size.
I Main Swain2 votesthis is why it annoyed me that they made them from the center of a champion
Colton1471 votes
Profirix10 votesTo be frank, I don't think typical mages should have access to a tank item like Abyssal Mask. It was supposed to be a tank item that benefits team mages. Cass was a huge abuser of that item, so was Aurelion Sol (though, I think Aurelion Sol is significantly weaker without proper HP mage items now).
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To be frank, I don't think typical mages should have access to a tank item like Abyssal Mask. It was supposed to be a tank item that benefits team mages. Cass was a huge abuser of that item, so was Aurelion Sol (though, I think Aurelion Sol is significantly weaker without proper HP mage items now).
They reworked it into a tank item and frankly it doesn't even resemble a tank item. It's basically Rod of Ages without the AP on it, its got MR instead and a magic damage amp. Sure tanks find that desirable but so do mages.
And that last nonsense change is going to keep tanks from even wanting the thing. Most tanks have moves longer than 325 range.
My Waifu Vanilla1 votesExcept most abilities that matter for tanks have ranges that are within it. Also, even if they are ranged abilities 90% of the time the tank is going to be melee. Yes, Ornn ult won't benefit from it, but his W and passive will (unless someone else procs the brittle). Yes, Maokai saplings probably won't benefit from it, but Q,W, and SOMETIMES R will all benefit from it. More examples could be stuff like Amumu who won't benefit from Bandage and max range ulti, but W,E, and his Liandry's damage will all GENERALLY benefit from it.
TwitchInMyPants1 votes[{quoted}](name=My Waifu Vanilla,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=FNPNWJ2l,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2018-03-24T08:10:57.662+0000)
Except most abilities that matter for tanks have ranges that are within it. Also, even if they are ranged abilities 90% of the time the tank is going to be melee. Yes, Ornn ult won't benefit from it, but his W and passive will (unless someone else procs the brittle). Yes, Maokai saplings probably won't benefit from it, but Q,W, and SOMETIMES R will all benefit from it. More examples could be stuff like Amumu who won't benefit from Bandage and max range ulti, but W,E, and his Liandry's damage will all GENERALLY benefit from it.
At least half of Ornn W goes outside of that tiny range lul
His hitbox takes up like half of it, his W is about a ranged carries auto range. 325 is basically nothing. Amumu is one of the few tanks who actually had most of his damage boosted by it after that nerf.
M00ndanc31 votesyeah it sucks but what is fun is when you get enough stacks and you can aa over walls.
Mcsquzzy1 votesmy tanky
has no complaints
Fear the Kayn1 votesThis sounds like a bug, I would report it as such
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Apparently when Cho gets enough stacks he gets too large to apply either aura because of his auto attack range increase.
https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/8FlmERUb-since-we-just-changed-chogath
Tried to get this worked out a year ago already. Riot doesn't give a shit.
rtbf2256182411 votesIn that case, these items should be downright disabled for Cho or they should just fix it so the aura expands with his size.
The latter obviously seems like a better idea.
Jungle Lux God1 votesIt's not useless on Cho'gath, it's just a hard counter to Fizz and other champions that can conditionally move through units :).
theminiom1 votesi thought of Abyssal mask as a damage item for tanks that, while dealing magic damage, don't actually have any good Ap scalings such as , non-full Ap and 
(maiden and E deal magic damage), and 
, now i think it's moreso but less effective for most of them can't use it with his R and possibly W, can't get full damage of his ult or W Reflections, both of 's magic damage sources are unlikely to be affected as his E is mostly used for gapclosing, 's still kinda working and is Probably the best one getting out of these changes.
Curious to find out it's supposed to be a support-ish item according to most of the people here.
XxxLumberJackxxX1 votesIts been like this since his first rework