Can we just revert manaflow band to meditation and call it a day

waiting for WoW·Jan 5, 2018·22 votes·1,542 views

I mean you don't need to be Isaac Newton to see why Manaflow Band is a badly designed rune. Personally I think Meditation was fine the way it was, I've never heard or seen a single person complain about it.

Manaflow band is always going to be either overtuned or barely noticeable now, and the really small but constant mana regen from meditation is better than waiting for a decent amount every 80 seconds(that's probably what they're going to nerf it to again).

22 Comments

LegitBusinessmanJan 5, 20188 votes

I don't know I love enduring the constant MF Q Spam in bot lane. I sure would hate if that slowed down /s

ModKnightsKemplarJan 5, 20185 votes

I almost feel like it should not give mana back, but instead only give a free spell every so often. Do you think that would help make it balanced? Meditation may be easier to balance, but I also think it's much more boring. There's something to be said for that, imo.

RalanrJan 5, 201811 votes

Isn’t that what presence of mind does?

AhristocatsJan 5, 20189 votes

no, presence of mine gives you infinity mana once you level up, gets a kill, or an assist for 7 seconds

a very imbalanced rune as well because it's either terrible or broken depending on which champion you're playing

hope it gets removed in favor of an other rune

ModKnightsKemplarJan 5, 20186 votes

I also hate presence of mind. Feels too gimmicky, imo. If you are in a position to utilize it when you level up, it's crazy op. If you aren't... it's basically worthless.

I mean, Ralanr has a point, but I think a decent argument can be made to make Manaflow more like presence of mind and just removing presence of mind. Seems like a win-win to me.

AhristocatsJan 5, 20183 votes

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If you are in a position to utilize it when you level up

you didn't see everything You get infinity mana by killing someone for 7 seconds

Kassadin is able to stomp entire teams thanks to that, same with aurelion sol and swain (who's getting reworked anyway)

this rune is imbalanced because as i said and as you said it's hit or mess, either too overpowered or irrelevant

ModKnightsKemplarJan 5, 20182 votes

Yeah, I should have been abusing it on Swain while I had the chance... I pay less attention to level ups than I should though, so I just know I would never take full advantage.

just one of the #reasonsI'llneverbediamond

Need Gold 4 TentJan 6, 20181 votes

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you didn't see everything You get infinity mana by killing someone for 7 seconds

Kassadin is able to stomp entire teams thanks to that, same with aurelion sol and swain (who's getting reworked anyway)

this rune is imbalanced because as i said and as you said it's hit or mess, either too overpowered or irrelevant

I'm curious now, when you are buffed with infinite mana from one of the runes, do you have effectively 0 current mana, your current mana when it activated, or full mana? For the purpose of the tear item actives.

AhristocatsJan 6, 20181 votes

you do have current mana you still have mana and mana costs

but they're all refunded for 7 seconds

Boop Daddy Jan 6, 20181 votes

PRESENCE OF MIND AND MANAFLOW BAND FUELS ME AS AURELION SOL. LEAVEN THEM ALONE YOU HEATHENS.

Jinx HunterJan 6, 20181 votes

Can we not make Lissandra's passive even more of a joke please? Bad enough that Rune overrides her passive.

ModKnightsKemplarJan 6, 20181 votes

The way to make Lissandra's passive less of a joke is to rework it. I don't think 1/130+ champs should hold the entire rune system hostage. They already know her passive needs a rework (they had something on PBE earlier this year that they decided wouldn't work), so now we just need to wait for them to implement something for her.

Runes should adapt however is best for the game in the meantime. That's my opinion.

SkorchJan 6, 20184 votes

2 Things:

1 I THINK Riot wants all of the runes to be mostly active. Almost all of the runes with exception with a few require doing something to work. So i doubt they would like just Passive Mana Regen

2 Is Manaflow Band REALLY that bad. 1 free spell every minute doesnt seem to OP to me. Useful on some champs, but not broken. For most champs i prefer ultimate hat anyway.

DauntJan 6, 20181 votes

Not only does it give you a free spell it also restores mana. Yes, that's beyond broken since nobody has to manage mana anymore.

koshkyraJan 6, 20181 votes

I tested it in a game..

I had it equipped as lux. I used my E at 0:20 (i had manaflow up) and it didnt come back up until like 1:45.

Its definently not 1 minute. The tooltip is wildly innacurate.

SooFr0styJan 6, 20181 votes

I thought they nerfed it in tree micropatch and said the tool tips wouldn't change because that's more work.

Newbie128749Jan 6, 20181 votes

they changed it to 60s --> 75s

also it doesn't take much to change a number

CosnirakJan 6, 20181 votes

The % missing mana based regen meditation was awful. Rewarding you for spamming right away by letting you keep spamming but at a slower rate isn't good game play.

I vastly prefer the old mana mastery that simply gave flat mp/5. As long as you weren't at full mana you were benefiting and should spend mana as appropriate to the situation, not to game some mechanic. If you notice you can get away with using less mana right now you just do so, doesn't matter if you're at 85% mana or 25% mana. Mana has enough in game play to it as is. Leaving the mana rune play to the pregame is fine in my opinion.