Can witts end build out of stinger?

Moonfall Saber·Nov 5, 2018·3 votes·2,469 views

We rarely see this niche item, despite its low build cost of 2400. Perhaps raise its price and build it out of to make it more useful.

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Lv60 Retri PalaNov 5, 20181 votes

Idk dumbing CDR on it would make it feel overloaded imo. Maybe just add a dagger or two and raise the cost as well as the stats it altready has. It's already a pretty good item when vs 2 or more magic threats as a bruiser, making it more universal by dumping all kinds of stats onto it is the wrong direction imo and sounds like a recipe for disaster.

ankoanko19Nov 5, 20181 votes

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Idk dumbing CDR on it would make it feel overloaded imo. Maybe just add a dagger or two and raise the cost as well as the stats it altready has. It's already a pretty good item when vs 2 or more magic threats as a bruiser, making it more universal by dumping all kinds of stats onto it is the wrong direction imo and sounds like a recipe for disaster.

Who is it good on? I get it, this item is niche but the only times I see this item built is if the enemy team has 3 or more ap champs and you play someone like KogMaw Kayle Irelia and two of them you very rarely see in any game.

ZackTheWaffleManNov 5, 20181 votes

WW but only if you're ahead and they're all AP

also varus

ankoanko19Nov 5, 20181 votes

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WW but only if you're ahead and they're all AP

also varus

Who more? Because otherwise thats only 4% of all champs who use the item to its fullest effectiveness.

Lv60 Retri PalaNov 5, 20181 votes

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Who more? Because otherwise thats only 4% of all champs who use the item to its fullest effectiveness.

Jax Irelia Kayle KogMaw MasterYi Shaco Teemo TwistedFate Varus Vayne Warwick That's pretty much all of them. Basically champions who scale well with attack speed.

ankoanko19Nov 5, 20181 votes

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That's pretty much all of them. Basically champions who scale well with attack speed.

Thats still only 8% of champions. Something needs to be done inorder to make wits end actually more appealing to melee champs. Because its very rare for even Jax, Irelia, Yi,WW and specially Shaco to purchase Wits end. A 10% cdr with a bit of a cost up, makes it def better. I remember in S5, everyone who could build wits end did so even if the enemy only had 1 magic dmg dealing champ. Currently, you only do it if there are 3-4 enemy champs dealing magic dmg and youre stomping. It's too painful to buy when you're behind.

ChawooraNov 6, 20181 votes

Shyvana can use Wit's End to some extent.

One issue with the item is that the damage does not scale...it is a flat 42 on hit at all points in the game. Almost every other on-hit item scales (of AD, AP, %HP, etc.).

ankoanko19Nov 6, 20181 votes

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Shyvana can use Wit's End to some extent.

One issue with the item is that the damage does not scale...it is a flat 42 on hit at all points in the game. Almost every other on-hit item scales (of AD, AP, %HP, etc.).

Thats the issue with it. It's a dumbed down early game item that relies on stacking. But since laning phase lasts for just 3 fucken minutes, theres no point in getting it. The 10% cdr at least makes the item more viable to have in your inventory in the midgame.