Can we please get something to prevent immobile champions from being dived so easily?

Yenn·Mar 2, 2018·25 votes·1,471 views

Playing Vel'koz and being repeatedly 3-man dived from full health at level 8 with zero risk is extremely fun.

34 Comments

dunder killMar 2, 201839 votes

What do you expect exactly? That's a trade off of the champ. Velkoz does crazy amounts of damage with pretty good range in exchange for being vulnerable to hard engages. Remove a champs weaknesses and that's how you get things that are broken OP

YennMar 2, 20189 votes

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What do you expect exactly? That's a trade off of the champ. Velkoz does crazy amounts of damage with pretty good range in exchange for being vulnerable to hard engages. Remove a champs weaknesses and that's how you get things that are broken OP

Sorry but literally being unable to even farm under your turret without being repeatedly killed is a pretty big weakness. You're essentially removed from the game.

And no, Vel'koz's trade off is his entire kit being avoidable. His damage is extremely unreliable above Diamond.

Telephone BoothMar 2, 201822 votes

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Sorry but literally being unable to even farm under your turret without being repeatedly killed is a pretty big weakness. You're essentially removed from the game.

And no, Vel'koz's trade off is his entire kit being avoidable. His damage is extremely unreliable above Diamond.

But isn't that a team issue? Why are you constantly having to 1v3 over and over? Isn't it your team not working together and making the right moves that is the real problem? No? I'm just a silver scrub, don't go too hard on me xD

5050BSMar 2, 20184 votes

Zed has no range at all nope none.

dunder killMar 2, 20188 votes

No, he doesn't have nearly the same range.

iDarkWindMar 2, 20181 votes

Range on a 22 seconds cooldown you mean

Malix FarwinMar 2, 20182 votes

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What do you expect exactly? That's a trade off of the champ. Velkoz does crazy amounts of damage with pretty good range in exchange for being vulnerable to hard engages. Remove a champs weaknesses and that's how you get things that are broken OP

Interesting. Whats the trade off to mid laners who do the crazy amount of damage as Vel Koz, range poke and mobility?

SkorchMar 2, 20184 votes

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Interesting. Whats the trade off to mid laners who do the crazy amount of damage as Vel Koz, range poke and mobility?

The trade off is their lack of existing.

5050BSMar 2, 201810 votes

THey say item 2419 and item 3157 are to save you.

Yet most of the time it saves you for 2.5s

Unlike item 3155 and item 3156 that save you without you having to do anything AND you can still attack and move AND have good stats AND the build path gives you just a lesser version of the Maw.

ALL of AP items are activates that COST you and need activating to save you.

item 2419 item 3157 item 3040

Why does item 3040 COST mana to use? Just give it the shield that is % of max mana.

AD have QSS that blocks all AP combos

Telephone BoothMar 2, 20182 votes

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THey say and are to save you.

Yet most of the time it saves you for 2.5s

Unlike and that save you without you having to do anything AND you can still attack and move AND have good stats AND the build path gives you just a lesser version of the Maw.

ALL of AP items are activates that COST you and need activating to save you.

Why does COST mana to use? Just give it the shield that is % of max mana.

AD have QSS that blocks all AP combos

Holy shit that item costs mana to use? God... I build it every game and I didn't even know lol.

DaCurtisMar 2, 20188 votes

Dude, I'm pretty sure stopwatch was added in the game for a reason.

BetterMobasExistMar 2, 20185 votes

item 2419 = 10 minute requirement

Everyone will be 6 by that point.

Chembaron YamadaMar 2, 20184 votes

You know that you can buy a stopwatch for 600g without taking the rune, don't you?

BetterMobasExistMar 2, 20185 votes

You know that it's 1 time use only and the game is flooded with CDR, don't you?

Yaśuo MainMar 2, 20181 votes

You know that CDR isn't anywhere related to the post right

BetterMobasExistMar 2, 20185 votes

What makes it easier to dive? Ults

Try using your brain?

Yaśuo MainMar 2, 20181 votes

What makes it any different when you factor in CDR if they use ult? Their Ult will only be used once, not like CDR automatically makes it a 1 second CD

DragonSheaMar 2, 20184 votes

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Playing Vel'koz and being repeatedly 3-man dived from full health at level 8 with zero risk is extremely fun.

Mobility needs to be better addressed when it comes to the power budget.

DeadUnbornMar 2, 20184 votes

item 2419 item 3157 item 3102

RainbowIceeMar 2, 20182 votes

that won't save you from a 3 man dive. OP should have just backed up tbh. You should be able to judge that 3 people can kill you and get out under the tower especially if you're using Velkoz . Would it have been someone like Cassiopeia then yea she can probably win the dive or even Lissandra

MagicFlyingLlamaMar 2, 20183 votes

Something more is wrong if you are getting 3-man dived.

Ie, you are ignoring pings, or nobody is pinging, or bot lane fed their asses off at lv3, 4, 5 and 6.

ChaddyFantomeMar 2, 20183 votes

tfw people are still bitching about being immobile with immobile champions in a post Free Zhonyas and the opyion to buy one for only 600g, BV, seraph active not being a troll item, world.

YennMar 2, 20186 votes

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Yes, because it's viable to have all of those items by level 8, especially a full stacked Seraph.

xelakerMar 2, 20182 votes

I usually have 2 seraph by then geez

deadlychuckMar 2, 20181 votes

It's a CC called grounded, that riot refuses to give out and always attaches it to area slows.

Because god forbid they add it to abilities like slows, which apply debuffs on the champion rather than in the AoE of a skill.

PoskeMar 2, 20181 votes

To be fair just dont play tier 19 velkoz

Do something like syndra / veigar / Taliyah mid they do the same things velkoZ does but better. This 3 have the same weakness but so much more strenghts and reliability

ValyrianBladeMar 2, 20181 votes

If you're getting repeatedly 3 men man dove, you're doing something wrong...

Either you're exaggerating, it happens only when your team is really weak everywhere else and you're playing well, which means they're focusing on shutting you down so you can't carry. As much as it sucks, most champions can't carry 4 idiots.

Or you're not really getting 3manned, at least not consistently by level 8. You're dying solo due to disrespecting your Lane opponent, then being seen as free gold and XP for the enemy jungle/support so they're roaming on you and diving because you're already behind. Your Lane opponent could probably 1v1 dive you already, but the others are there for assists and to ensure your jungler doesn't save you.

I.e. either you're playing bad, or you're playing well but your team is playing really bad.

In general vel'koz would be able to clear waves pretty quickly so avoid getting pushed in with minions, so he shouldn't be a target that's super available to be dove. Further he can put out cc and a load of damage with his ultimate if people are starting to run at him. Are you burning your cc before they go for the dive?

the weeabooMar 2, 20181 votes

Rework Ohmwrecker into a AP/armor item that is meant to be built on mages and supports that makes towers do more damage / have more pen temporarily

kurnubegoMar 2, 20181 votes

I suppose that's your team works to protect you. I mean, if someone just jumps on you when you are positioned well, entire team collapses on that person and rest of the team fight goes 4v5. Now, obviously team won't be aware, especially in lower elos, so it's on you to be smart about it, forsee their inability to react, and try to stay close to your team when possible. Most likely they will attack whatever is closest to them anyway. So if you're close? The diver will be close too.

If you're getting repeatedly 3 man dived in sychronous manner, when.. perhaps your positioning requires better forsight. And.. um, what team comps have 3 man dive potential? I mean jungler, top laner.. and? ... ?

KanzlerMar 2, 20181 votes

Janna

Steel BlossomMar 3, 20181 votes

...wow. We literally are still living the traumas of stopwatch meta, and you're complaining about dives already...? You're either still in elo hell where the enemies show three mid but your team does nothing, or you just suck ass at skillshots and can't take a single person down with you.

Rathar DashingMar 3, 20181 votes

item 3152 summoner 4 item 2420 item 3157

IainG10Mar 4, 20181 votes

summoner 21 summoner 7 If you have summoner 14 on a champ that should never be close enough to use it, you are doing it wrong....

YennMar 5, 20181 votes

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Hourglass is not a viable rush item for the vast majority of immobile casters.

i.e. I just had a game as Vel'koz vs. Vladimir + Gragas, where the Gragas would just ult me away from my turret every time it came up, leaving me with no way to defend my turret and no way to stay in lane when his ult was up. Hourglass's stats would have been almost entirely wasted, in exchange for me only dying to every second ult. Wow.