Hey junglers

LyingOnLine·Apr 18, 2017·3 votes·1,045 views

If you pick an early game jungler and don't actually do anything or provide any pressure, it is your fault.

17 Comments

ThrëatApr 18, 20174 votes

Hey laner, if you think a loss is due to your jungler then you aren't playing to carry your own games, you are looking to just get carried. If you don't get carried to the rank you think you deserve by your jungler don't bitch about it, we will just laugh at you.

Fun fact: As a laner you can 100% win your lane and game without your jungler holding your hand. High elo players show this all the time on stream, so obviously it is possible, why can't you do it?

LyingOnLineApr 18, 20171 votes

Because my enemy laner actually has a jungler on their side.

ThrëatApr 18, 20171 votes

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Because my enemy laner actually has a jungler on their side.

Cool. If you can't out play 2 low elo players then you are also low elo.

LyingOnLineApr 18, 20172 votes

What an incredibly stupid standard.

ThrëatApr 18, 20171 votes

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What an incredibly stupid standard.

Nope not at all. Low elo is terrible. If you can't outplay 2 people that are low elo then you aren't much better, if better at all. Also, people that blame their jungler for why they aren't carrying are the scum of league.

LyingOnLineApr 18, 20172 votes

So your contention is that you are always going to be capable of surviving a 2v1 against players a league below you?

ThrëatApr 18, 20171 votes

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So your contention is that you are always going to be capable of surviving a 2v1 against players a league below you?

Yes. Easily.

LyingOnLineApr 18, 20172 votes

Mmm. It's nice when people reductio ad absurdum themselves for me.

It always works wonderfully for pointing out people who couldn't convince a car to turn.

ThrëatApr 18, 20171 votes

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Mmm. It's nice when people reductio ad absurdum themselves for me.

It always works wonderfully for pointing out people who couldn't convince a car to turn.

You asked me if someone could consistently survive a 2v1 if they are playing against people a tier under them, I said yes. This has nothing to do with cars turning or you thinking you are right simply because I did not agree with you. The fact that you are posting on a level 12 smurf tells me your main is probably bronze 5 and you have the same level of understanding of how to play League as my cat.

RexSaurApr 18, 20173 votes

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Hey laner, if you think a loss is due to your jungler then you aren't playing to carry your own games, you are looking to just get carried. If you don't get carried to the rank you think you deserve by your jungler don't bitch about it, we will just laugh at you.

Fun fact: As a laner you can 100% win your lane and game without your jungler holding your hand. High elo players show this all the time on stream, so obviously it is possible, why can't you do it?

The same could be said about the jungler.

A jungler that picks lee sin to power farm for 15 minutes is literally begging to get carried, even worse if the other jungler is actually doing something on the map, which is going to get every lane behind and potentially lose you the game but you gonna be like "oh its not my fault my laners suck" while being 0/0/0 17 mins in.

GankedByWindowsApr 18, 20173 votes

If you make it so your lane isn't in a gankable position, then there is nothing your jungler can do, even if they are a early game jungler.

LyingOnLineApr 18, 20171 votes

And when the lane is gankable and they do nothing, it's on their heads.

RewtApr 18, 20172 votes

There are a lot of factors that go into the way that a jungler plays.

If he is getting invaded and getting dicked he will need to focus on his jungle and preserving his own farm before worry about your sorry ass.
If lanes are pushing up whenever he is around and cant get a good gank in, he wont.
if the lane is 0/2 before you finish first clear. you dont gank for them. you just tell them to play safe and you ignore them to go help other lanes.
if you Flame the jungler. He wont gank for you. He doesnt have to gank for you. It isnt a requirement. If you are an asshole he wont help you.
Junglers dont just pick a lane and go to it. Its a rotation. We plan a route and go for ganks along the way. If you are in a bad position for a gank when he rolls around. Guess what. He wont gank.
if you are making yourself a freelo gank for the enemy team. he is probably just gonna let you die for being an idiot.
Junglers have more pressing matters than helping you. Like Dragon. and skuttle, and getting gold/xp from their jungle.
Junglers actually dont give a fuck about you. If they get that itch that you are an idiot. They will just leave you to fend for yourself.

GeminiRuneApr 18, 20171 votes

But what about your play, your lane opponent, and the opposing jungler's activity is taken into account as to how much pressure can or cannot be applied? Hmmmmm?

LyingOnLineApr 18, 20171 votes

If the opponent's midgame jungler is providing more pressure than your earlygame jungler, the fault isn't with the opponent's midgame jungler.

GeminiRuneApr 18, 20171 votes

Ah ah ah. I did not establish the type of jungler now did I? You're only seeing one spectrum, not all of them.

RogueWillApr 18, 20171 votes

I have been playing Shyvana . She is indeed an early game jungler but she is not a gank oriented jungler. I will apply pressure to their jungle and will force neutral objectives (dragon and herald) but if I'm against an early game ganking jungler (like XinZhao or LeeSin ) they will start to apply pressure to lanes as response (as they can't clear as fast as I can and will be stealing 2 or 3 of their camps). Unfortunately counteganking won't help much as I lack the damage or the utility early on to take on 2v2 or 3v3. Similarly is playing champions like Udyr or Nunu