I don't understand this boards...

YumaS2Astral·Oct 4, 2015·2 votes·276 views

This thread is downvoted: http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/EbuVXfH2-khazix-could-use-some-buffs

Yet this thread is upvoted: http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/AfQgfmWF-for-all-of-you-complaining-about-vayne

I guess, maybe the OP on the first thread didn't explained what could be done to help Kha'Zix... However, I wonder why people downvote a thread that says that Kha'Zix is in a bad spot, yet they upvote a thread that has no content, it is just a really bad joke used to whine against Vayne.

11 Comments

Shroom JunkieOct 4, 20152 votes

Because Kha'zix is in a good spot. Buffing him could break him, nerfing him could make him shit, and Vayne is an almost no-counterplay or counterdefense such as armor or health stacking because of her W, as well as synergy with BotRK and LW, is an ADC with tons mobility, all her damage is point-and-click, one of two ADC's with a non-ultimate hard-CC(other being Draven with his Stand Aside, but that's barely a hard CC in comparison to Vayne's major knockback and situational stun), and with all that has enough damage to outduel almost anyone in the game plus be a major threat in team fights despite being single target.

Baron of BreadOct 4, 20151 votes

one of two ADC's with a non-ultimate hard-CC(other being Draven with his Stand Aside, but that's barely a hard CC in comparison to Vayne's major knockback and situational stun)

Jinx Caitlyn Quinn You missed a few, although they are delayed or really short.

YumaS2AstralOct 4, 20151 votes

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You missed a few, although they are delayed or really short.

Jinx's root is not a hard CC, unless by hard CC you mean things that prevent a champion from moving freely. Same for Caitlyn.

Baron of BreadOct 4, 20151 votes

I am pretty sure roots are considered hard CC. Otherwise people wouldn't say that Lux, Varus or Ryze have hard CC.

YumaS2AstralOct 4, 20151 votes

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I am pretty sure roots are considered hard CC. Otherwise people wouldn't say that Lux, Varus or Ryze have hard CC.

Generally a hard CC is a CC that can interrupt channelings. Roots can't interrupt channels, so they are not hard CCs, but silences are.

However, some people define hard CC as anything that can prevent an enemy from moving freely. So by this definition root is a hard CC, but silence is not. By the first definition, is the reverse.

Baron of BreadOct 4, 20151 votes

The way I have usually consider it is that hard CC prevents some action. So silences and roots are hard CC by that definition, while blinds and slows are not.

So it really comes down to how we define hard CC.

Shroom JunkieOct 4, 20151 votes

Eh, I've never considered a root as hard CC. And yeah I guess a blind can be considered one, but its useless against non-AA'ers.

YumaS2AstralOct 4, 20151 votes

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Because Kha'zix is in a good spot. Buffing him could break him, nerfing him could make him shit, and Vayne is an almost no-counterplay or counterdefense such as armor or health stacking because of her W, as well as synergy with BotRK and LW, is an ADC with tons mobility, all her damage is point-and-click, one of two ADC's with a non-ultimate hard-CC(other being Draven with his Stand Aside, but that's barely a hard CC in comparison to Vayne's major knockback and situational stun), and with all that has enough damage to outduel almost anyone in the game plus be a major threat in team fights despite being single target.

If Kha'Zix is on a good spot, then why he isn't picked like other choices that we currently have, like Zed or Rengar?

He is just too reliant on isolation, one of the worst conditions, and his burst is actually lower than other assassins even when he is isolated. Kha'Zix is too reliant on snowballing. Also, he is one of the easiest champions to counter in lane. You can say "just jungle with him then" but Kha'Zix suffers from another problem in the jungle: he is easy to counterjungle since his clear isn't the fastest and his sustain is mediocre. Invading him with a champion like Lee Sin, Shaco, or Elise, can set him behind and make him useless. Shaco and Elise even have mechanics that negate Kha'Zix's isolation.

Also Kha'Zix has a hard time against the Juggernauts, counting Fiora and Olaf; they can all beat him even when he is isolated. Lulu being popular is also a serious problem for Kha'Zix since she counters him so hard in general...

Maybe Kha'Zix doesn't need straight up buffs, but he needs changes. He needs something that can change him so that he can actually compete with other champions.

Shroom JunkieOct 4, 20151 votes

Because he was made more like an assassin, less like a team fighter. His damage is significantly reduced when someone isn't isolated, but its crazy increased when they are so he can even burst fighters in isolation but can barely burst a squishy when not. They made him to pick off out-of-position or alone enemies but that just doesn't work well in the meta, so they pick others that are better in team fights to fit.

But as for him needing changes... I disagree. I think he should stay the way he is. He's still shown to be able to carry himself in games as shown with high elo Kha'zix mains such as Diamond I Kha'zix(who is ironically master[/challenger?] tier), so if you're good at him he's not any weaker than other champs. He may not be the very best in the meta, but Kennen isn't a very common top laner, does that mean he needs changed?

YumaS2AstralOct 4, 20151 votes

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Because he was made more like an assassin, less like a team fighter. His damage is significantly reduced when someone isn't isolated, but its crazy increased when they are so he can even burst fighters in isolation but can barely burst a squishy when not. They made him to pick off out-of-position or alone enemies but that just doesn't work well in the meta, so they pick others that are better in team fights to fit.

But as for him needing changes... I disagree. I think he should stay the way he is. He's still shown to be able to carry himself in games as shown with high elo Kha'zix mains such as Diamond I Kha'zix(who is ironically master[/challenger?] tier), so if you're good at him he's not any weaker than other champs. He may not be the very best in the meta, but Kennen isn't a very common top laner, does that mean he needs changed?

The difference is that when you want to pick Kennen and you ask "which are the reasons to pick him over other mages" there are plenty of reasons. First, Kennen is manaless, so he isn't reliant on blue buffs, mana regeneration items (and can directly buy AP items without major issues) and can use his abilities with much more freedom than other mages early. Second, Kennen has a escape. Other mages don't usually have escape mechanisms. Third, his ult can turn the tides of entire teamfights. Fourth, he has decent reliable waveclear once he buys some AP items. That's what keep Kennen from being outclassed by other mages.

However... What are the reasons to pick Kha'Zix over Rengar, for example? Rengar has almost everything that Kha'Zix has but better. The only thing that Rengar doesn't offer over Kha'Zix is a reliable escape after killing someone late game. But all other Rengar advantages are enough to pick him over Kha'Zix: His burst isn't reliant on isolation, he has a dangerous CC (empowered bola) he is manaless, has a more reliable sustain, and his stealth lasts for much longer.

Which are the reasons to pick Kha'Zix over other mid lane assassins such as Zed, which has a more reliable ranged harass and is manaless? (and again, his burst doesn't rely on isolation)

Kha'Zix needs changes because currently he has little reason to be picked over other assassins.