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Any thoughts on the new Fizz changes?

YoungFarmer··3 votes·1,479 views

Q - Urchin Strike DAMAGE 10/40/70/100/130 (+0.6 ability power) magic damage ⇒10/25/40/55/70 (+0.3 ability power) magic damage BUT CAN YOU DODGE A FISH? Fizz no longer deals damage to the target if they move out of range of Urchin Strike before it completes

W - Seastone Trident REMOVEDSO THEMATICALLY CONFUSED No longer applies Grievous Wounds ACTIVE ON-HIT DAMAGE 10/15/20/25/30 (+0.25 ability power) magic damage ⇒ 10/20/30/40/50 (+0.0 ability power) + 4/5/6/7/8% missing health as magic damage PASSIVE DAMAGE OVER 3 SECONDS 30/40/50/60/70 (+0.35 ability power) (+4/5/6/7/8% of target's missing health) over 3 seconds ⇒20/30/40/50/60 (+0.45 ability power) over 3 seconds

R - Chum the Waters NEWSHARKS MAKE EVERYTHING BETTER Fizz's damage against the tagged champion is increased by +20% for 6 seconds. Chum the Waters is not affected by this bonus.

I kind of feel like fizz will be useless when his ult is down?

21 Comments

Knight SoIaire 4 votes

I kind of feel like fizz will be useless when his ult is down?

its better than being able to 100 to 0 a squish (or totaly cripple a tank) every 4 seconds

sorry man but fizz deserwed this as an assasin without any cooldowns who had his entire burst on basic skills

YoungFarmer3 votes

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its better than being able to 100 to 0 a squish (or totaly cripple a tank) every 4 seconds

sorry man but fizz deserwed this as an assasin without any cooldowns who had his entire burst on basic skills

Most of my high ranked friends (plats and diamonds) they actually considered fizz underpowered compared to assassins like zed and akali

Malix Farwin1 votes

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Most of my high ranked friends (plats and diamonds) they actually considered fizz underpowered compared to assassins like zed and akali

fizz and kat aare generally easy assassins to deal with. Fizz for example, if you build MR early he would be able to 100-0 you for a very long time without the help of his ult(which he can do now anyways with the change). Its the reason why voyboy said the change to MR on chalice made an impact on him. Problem is that people didn't put two and two together and just thought fizz suddenly gotten stronger for no reason.

Knight SoIaire 1 votes

because they were high ranked

winning a lane vs fizz was requiring you to play perfectly and literaly perfectly since fizz could actualy all inn many mages pre 6

in high elo ppl could pull that off (maybe in master tier , because in plat he was still broken)

Malix Farwin2 votes

Leblanc Zed Talon can still do this with less items then fizz needed before the nerf. if i build zhonyas and am actually decent at dodging a slow skill shot, Fizz is useless to me. not the same of the other champs i listed. Fizz is essentially useless now.

YoungFarmer3 votes

[{quoted}](name=Malix Farwin,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=EwYNra1k,comment-id=00010001,timestamp=2015-01-28T16:40:34.233+0000)

Leblanc Zed Talon can still do this with less items then fizz needed before the nerf.

Zed is definitely stronger then Fizz, he has insane poke early, and lets be honest he has just as good of an escape and fizz, he also has a slow.

Knight SoIaire 1 votes

lb is a nope since dfg went away talon always was a nope (low cd ult is a tall on his powerbudget) zed is again a nope since he needs that ult

nobody even came close to fizz when it comes to cooldown on your burst

Fizz is essentially useless now

actualy nope zhona is 3 seconds your dmg empower is 6

unlike zed your burst cant be just trolled by zhonyas

Firasource3 votes

Only thought is "Riot has heard my prayers". I despise Fizz. With a passion. Being a main mid player and relatively new to Leagues, I had no idea how to avoid this fish. I've tried flashing multiple times to get away from his ult only to have it follow me and waste my spell. Now that flashes can avoid these ults, I am not as upset with Fizz.

YoungFarmer5 votes

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Only thought is "Riot has heard my prayers". I despise Fizz. With a passion. Being a main mid player and relatively new to Leagues, I had no idea how to avoid this fish. I've tried flashing multiple times to get away from his ult only to have it follow me and waste my spell. Now that flashes can avoid these ults, I am not as upset with Fizz.

walk side ways...

MURKIN1 votes

lololol

SouL1ess3 votes

I've tried flashing multiple times to get away from his ult only to have it follow me and waste my spell. Now that flashes can avoid these ults, I am not as upset with Fizz.

Dafuq.

You just flashed late. No changes were made to Chum the water's attach radius/functionality whatever except that a damage amplification was added to it.

Firasource1 votes

Second thing: back in 5.1 we made a change to Fizz's Urchin Strike where if you flashed before he physically hit with his Q, you could dodge the damage completely. A: our bad for not documenting the change.

SouL1ess1 votes

Your point is...?

Now you can dodge Fizz however you like if you use dash/whatever when Fizz uses Q on you from max range, from my understanding of the BUT CAN YOU DODGE A FISH part of the patch notes.

L33K Senpai1 votes

I feel Fizz's nerf was necessary - as an ADC main; I don't like when all he has to do is jump, dodge one of my skills and a whole ton of CC; throw an ult and dash to me and initiate a DFG+Chum+Auto combo. (And this is with me in the back lines). This will make his ult more rewarding and maybe I won't have to worry about being 1/2/3 shotted by a champion who can dodge CC and get to his target without much issues.

YoungFarmer4 votes

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I feel Fizz's nerf was necessary - as an ADC main; I don't like when all he has to do is jump, dodge one of my skills and a whole ton of CC; throw an ult and dash to me and initiate a DFG+Chum+Auto combo. (And this is with me in the back lines). This will make his ult more rewarding and maybe I won't have to worry about being 1/2/3 shotted by a champion who can dodge CC and get to his target without much issues.

Mean while Zed.... Mean while Leblanc... Mean while Akali...

Malix Farwin1 votes

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I feel Fizz's nerf was necessary - as an ADC main; I don't like when all he has to do is jump, dodge one of my skills and a whole ton of CC; throw an ult and dash to me and initiate a DFG+Chum+Auto combo. (And this is with me in the back lines). This will make his ult more rewarding and maybe I won't have to worry about being 1/2/3 shotted by a champion who can dodge CC and get to his target without much issues.

You are an adc main, every mid laner can 100-0 you. If it makes you feel better, ill 100-0 you with champs that dont have to all that extra work that fizz does

SouL1ess1 votes

The total AP ratio didn't get nerfed by a whole lot; changed from 3.45 total to 3.4 total, assuming 6 ticks of seastone trident passive. Base damage still sitting at around the same as Talon or Zed, at 1160.

However QSS will be a very good counter against Fizz, more so than Zed. QSS can remove the fish from you and ensure that you neither receive the ult damage or the ult debuff. After that, Fizz is just underwhelming as an assassin.

youngjake931 votes

Idk the nerfs don't look as bad as the context acts like they are. W is arguably buffed if you use it right since the passive now does more damage to high health targets and the active does more damage to low health targets than before. Q lost .3 AP ratio and gains less base damage as you level it up, but its base damage was not amazing anyway and most people level E first for the shorter cooldown on your best ability. You might no longer be full build after Sorcs+Lich+Zhonya's and actually have to invest in AP+CDR now, but you will now have 100-0 potential before you even finish an item thanks to the ult. It really looks like Fizz's power didn't get changed much. Compare that to Warwick nerfs where they chopped off like 400 dmg off of his ult on level 6 and doubled the length of the cooldown along with other accompanying nerfs rather than compensations. Fizz is fine lol.

Skia Asteri1 votes

Is his % HP missing damage on the W active capped against monsters? If not he will be a beast with some AS for taking dragon and baron.

PentaJump1 votes

Top lane bruiser Fizz seems nice. Get an item like wits end, or maybe BotRK, and build tank.

If you can jungle him, that'd work too.

Hentai Memes1 votes

Now I have a reason to use my ultimate.

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