Riot: Tell me how this was suppose to be a 50/50 match?

5050BS·Mar 31, 2019·13 votes·10,702 views

There is no reality where this is even close to a 50/50 match.

Riot more and more you can see that your Match Making system is broken

https://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/3010710648/41759027?tab=overview

Riven is S2 (and is I suspect even smurfing on this account) who is Duo with Lee

Lets run down the Numbers

(Win rate overall / Win rate with Champ) Top Urgot B2 45%/51% win rate vs Riven S2 75%/67%

Jungle Nid B2 47%/0%
vs Lee (Duo boosted by Riven) B4 37%/ 21%

Mid Talon B2 30%/20% vs Oriana B1 52%/na (not played this season)

Support Lux B3 40%/60% vs Morg S4 50%/60%

ADC Draven Unranked 14%/14% vs Jhin B2 47%/52%

Plz Tell me HOW this is even close to a possible 50/50 match?

Note Red has a Duo (boosting too) and Blue are all SoloQ

Match making NEEDS a complete overhaul

31 Comments

karolmoMar 31, 201919 votes

Matchmaking doesn't care about the player's winrate with a certain champ. All it cares about is MMR.

B2 B1 B1 unranked (MMR around b2) and B3 vs S2 B4 B1 B1 and S4 is only a little unbalanced for their team on the toplane (B2 vs S2) but then you have B1 vs B4 on the jungle so your jungler should've been able to dominate the game... This is not close to being a really unfair ranked game.

(And no, their Riven was not smurfing. He's 3-7 on his last 10 ranked games. Average KDA with riven is 7.6/5/5 which is nowhere close to a smurf KDA. You just inted the hell out of her on lane)

Yes it was a little unfair for the toplane but that's all. Your jungler was bronze 1 and he went 3/13, in case you need explanation of why the current rank of someone means nothing.

No member of their team was boosting, and their duoq was bronze 4&silver 2. Which evens out around bronze 1, which was the average MMR of your game. There you go.

5050BSMar 31, 20192 votes

I didnt in on Riven at all. I killed her and she Roamed in our jungle with her Duo and camped my junlger who would not ward.

Ok so lets put this into maybe some perspective for you

Same game but instead of Bronze this is Gold. Top lane is G2 vs a Plat 2

Also you JUST pointed out why Riots Match Making is total shit.

The average Tax break for Americans is 4k so its fair.

karolmoMar 31, 20193 votes

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I didnt in on Riven at all. I killed her and she Roamed in our jungle with her Duo and camped my junlger who would not ward.

Ok so lets put this into maybe some perspective for you

Same game but instead of Bronze this is Gold. Top lane is G2 vs a Plat 2

Also you JUST pointed out why Riots Match Making is total shit.

The average Tax break for Americans is 4k so its fair.

You have 9 deaths. You did int. Maybe start playing safer.

5050BSMar 31, 20192 votes

I had 9 Deaths LATE in the game because of jungler mid and adc were feeding

My FIRST death was at 16m

KovaxzApr 1, 20191 votes

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I had 9 Deaths LATE in the game because of jungler mid and adc were feeding

My FIRST death was at 16m

That doesn't make it sound better, just sounds like you got tilted then inted hard.

Szadek of DimirApr 1, 20192 votes

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You have 9 deaths. You did int. Maybe start playing safer.

I have had numerous games where I ended up with horrible kda without inting in scenarios like this. If you are making the desperate plays that actually have a prayer of bringing you back into the game you will usually rack up quite a few deaths, but you actually have better odds of winning the game than if you play super safe and protect your kda

BlackTecnoApr 1, 20192 votes

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I didnt in on Riven at all. I killed her and she Roamed in our jungle with her Duo and camped my junlger who would not ward.

Ok so lets put this into maybe some perspective for you

Same game but instead of Bronze this is Gold. Top lane is G2 vs a Plat 2

Also you JUST pointed out why Riots Match Making is total shit.

The average Tax break for Americans is 4k so its fair.

That happened to me recently, my mmr is so high (when averaged with my friend's mmr since duo) that, when I was in silver 1, had me up against plat 4 and 3 players. Stomped the shit out of them anyways.

If you lose a matchup where you're down (like average is g2 vs plat 3) you'll lose less lp, if you win, you get more, that's where the balance of that system comes into play.

If you really believe yourself to be good, win the lane, carry the game. If you're looking for 50/50 matches, well, sorry, system isn't fair to you, just as life is. You'll never get clean numbers like that if you want to match people in minutes.

dunder killMar 31, 201918 votes

You know ur desperate when you try to use champion win rate like matchmaking had any idea what champ ur going to pick

ll3lackbeardMar 31, 20199 votes

Bottom line Riot doesn’t care. They have their mysterious MMR rating which is the gold standard and solves all these issues. I just posted how I am seeing Iron players getting matched in the same lane with Silver players. This has been deemed fair in the eyes of the current matchmaking system so who am I to question it. It’s just garbage, everyone knows it, and nothing will happen. They are to busy buffing tanks to care about anything else.

AzanozApr 1, 20194 votes

Have you tried getting better?

Adc S10 Apr 1, 20193 votes

You are worried about others way too much rather then yourself (its low elo thing) You should be more focusing on ur lane and how to beat each matchup and what to do next to win. If u keep blaming ur team for every mistake you will never climb the ladder and u will never become better player. Sorry but its true. Only thing u can do is watch ppl play and see what they do like every single move of mouse if u must seriously tho. More tips always and i mean always type in chat /mute all and in scoreboard mute pings its a huge deal trust me bcuz ur gonna get angry if u die nd some gonna say sone sh* to u and ur gonna be more frustrated and lose ur head and dont type anything too if u have a thick and u always click enter just rebind it. Good luck. Cheers. summoner 31

5050BSMar 31, 20192 votes

https://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/3010722460/41759027?tab=overview

Only thing I can think of is that Riot thinks Im a smurf. There is ZERO ways these games are even close to 50/50

Better game would be to see how LOW you can go because Riot is forcing me that way anyway

Such BS riot fix your shit game

dunder killMar 31, 201915 votes

you have a 45% win rate after 300 games and you think the game thinks ur a smurf?

SobxMar 31, 20192 votes

TBH it doesn't look that bad. But now go check this guy. lmao

UndeadLegionaryApr 1, 20192 votes

Matchmaking is all mmr based, lee has a lower one than riven, and hers counterbalanced his. No, the matchmaking system absolutely does not think youre a smurf, i do not at all believe riven is a smurf (anything above low gold at least) based on her match history. It was a game that simply didn’t go well, neither side has match histories that seriously blow the others away (although riven is pretty good at her champ). You’re making more out of this than is actually there.

14daysuspensionkMar 31, 20191 votes

As a Nidalee main, it really hurts to see someone play like that on Nidalee.

KnuwlApr 1, 20191 votes

{quoted}

There is no reality where this is even close to a 50/50 match.

Riot more and more you can see that your Match Making system is broken

https://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/3010710648/41759027?tab=overview

Riven is S2 (and is I suspect even smurfing on this account) who is Duo with Lee

Lets run down the Numbers

(Win rate overall / Win rate with Champ) Top Urgot B2 45%/51% win rate vs Riven S2 75%/67%

Jungle Nid B2 47%/0%
vs Lee (Duo boosted by Riven) B4 37%/ 21%

Mid Talon B2 30%/20% vs Oriana B1 52%/na (not played this season)

Support Lux B3 40%/60% vs Morg S4 50%/60%

ADC Draven Unranked 14%/14% vs Jhin B2 47%/52%

Plz Tell me HOW this is even close to a possible 50/50 match?

Note Red has a Duo (boosting too) and Blue are all SoloQ

Match making NEEDS a complete overhaul

I mean ranked is not meant to be a 50 50 chance, if people wanted to sit around and flip coins then why would they bother doing it virtually? Coins are pretty easy to come by. Ranked is just trying to keep you around players close to your skill level which is constantly changing going up and down day by day hopefully over time slowly going up if you focus on learning from games rather than crying about them. Bottom line is if you didnt make any or little mistakes that game you have a pretty good chance of winning it. Not a 100% chance because that would be boring but a pretty good one. I dont remember if there was anything else I was trying to say but basicly get good, then you will win games like that but the whole idea of ranked is it will still be hard to win games no matter how good you get so that it keeps it interesting and creates a challenge.

5050BSApr 1, 20192 votes

Riot has already said that the system tries to make all games 50/50.

Yes little mistakes here and there would then swing a true 50/50 match and is how it would work.

BUT Riots system is not that. Matches start off unbalanced. Thats fine if the unbalance was small. But S9 (ever since they fuked up with Positional rank) the unbalance is massive in a lot of matches.

Those that done see this are naive and privileged to have fallen on the side the system helps.

OcúlusApr 1, 20192 votes

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Riot has already said that the system tries to make all games 50/50.

Yes little mistakes here and there would then swing a true 50/50 match and is how it would work.

BUT Riots system is not that. Matches start off unbalanced. Thats fine if the unbalance was small. But S9 (ever since they fuked up with Positional rank) the unbalance is massive in a lot of matches.

Those that done see this are naive and privileged to have fallen on the side the system helps.

I mean what it comes down to is you will never get better at the game if you keep blaming something other than yourself for the loss. Matchmaking on this game was less than perfect, but odds are pretty good that you have had just as many games in your favor as ones you got like this in the 300 games you've played. If anything look back on this game and see what you did wrong so you can fix them and improve. No one is perfect.

TrundlerApr 1, 20191 votes

While I think the OP is being a bit whingy, it does seem to me like matchmaking has gotten a lot more loose in the last few weeks (maybe since the end of positional ranks?). This feeling is entirely anecdotal, of course, but part of me has started to wonder if they haven't relaxed the algorithm recently.

It's possible the current meta just leads to a lot more blowouts, but I've also seen both Iron and Plat players pop into my Silver games...

MrHaZeYoApr 1, 20191 votes

Looks more even then 90% of the games im in.

Hol HorseApr 1, 20191 votes

"How is this fair!!!!" He cries, as he refers to a match of High Bronze vs Low Silver.

Silver vs Bronze is literally the same thing. They are both garbage. All of it is garbage. I would know. I'm fucking garbage too, but I see no difference between Bronze and Silver.

And how the hell are you saying Lee Sin is boosted when he is in Bronze Four with a 30% WR? Hes just duoing with a friend.

Also, tell me again how matchmaking determines the winrate for a champion you are yet to pick.

LaughablehaloApr 1, 20191 votes

I've had the same issue. I can't move out of Silver for because the matchmaking system believes it's okay to fill my game with bronze players. I was playing adc with a bronze 3 support who of course doesn't know how to support and guess what they had on the other team? Gold 2 mid laner. This is making games just bullshit.

AlmaxxApr 1, 20191 votes

Simple point to this guys post is that like skill levels weren't qued together. The post although used the wrong terms, the fact is that he was qued with players that had vastly different skill levels. Regardless if the MMRs were balanced well or not.

DeadlyJhonyApr 1, 20191 votes

Eh the problem isn't their team in league 80% of the time its your team or even you not a good team comp lack of communication here and there thats just solo q deal whit it i have seen D4 players that are even worse then some bronze 1 players everyone has a bad game so just go next even if you are skilled as Faker if you got match up with players that don't communicate and aren't playing the game right your chances to win are slim to none its a team game after all

EdwardsReformedApr 1, 20191 votes

Maybe stop wasting your time crying about how it's unfair and practice getting better. Learn proper wave management and get good CS numbers. Gain better map awesomeness and ping when riven is missing. Hell better yet get lane priority and be the one roaming. Buy now less then 6 pink Ward's a game. If you buying less your not using them enough. I get 8 on average a game. Hell I suck as urgort but warding and rotating is op

EdwardsReformedApr 1, 20191 votes

Yep. U didn't buy a single pink and you failed to influence the game at all till 15 + min.just get better. No1 is in bronze who doesn't belong there

The LightningApr 1, 20191 votes

I mean, the skill level between bronze and silver isn't that vast. That's why they can queue together.

5050BSApr 1, 20191 votes

Back in Promos

Game 1 https://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/3011387961/41759027?tab=overview

Galio feeds because he is "New to support" MF Rages against Galio even tho they said they were Duo..... Amumu had zero clue what to do in the jungle

Game 2 https://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/3011408819/41759027?tab=overview

Swain Support.... Trist rages vs Swain then suddlenly has connection "Issues" and DC about 8 times. Feeding in most of them.

Yasuo goes all ham all the time feeding Kayne about the same...

Meanwhile Enemy Caith and Lux are Duo Caith with a win rate of 67% and Lux win rate of 75% new account.

RencithApr 1, 20191 votes

You need to understand something man. Riot is a business, and with it being a corporation, they don't care about you or me or really anyone else save for their whales. Their whales being esports. In light of this, they are subject to shady marketing tactics. Whether people want to admit it or not, riot fucks with the algorithm for matchmaking intentionally to make climbing as difficult as possible, especially in silver. Why silver you may ask? Most people get gold and don't give a crap anymore and they go to play better games, that's why. Now I've seen people make it out of silver through hard work, but it may as well be a second job to do so. You gotta ask yourself,"do I want gold so bad I'm willing to make league like a job to get there?" Because if your answer to that is no and you just play casually for fun, you'll likely stay in silver because you can beat other players..but you can't fight players and the algorithm that is intentionally stacked against you unless you literally give up things in rl to make it happen. Riot does this because more play time on their game means more money for them and more stats they can give their board of directors to make it look like they are doing good when in reality their play time is likely dropping because people are finally realizing how badly balanced and unfair the system is against climbing. I'll just say this, I've played ranked in other video games and achieved high elo pretty easy. The fact that almost half of all ranked players are in silver, is indicative that riot is messing with the algorithm of match making to ensure you don't climb out of silver and you stay in the skinners box as long as possible. My advice? Go play a different game, one that's actually fun. If you aren't playing with friends, league is a bad choice.

ArcaneHarbingerApr 2, 20191 votes

What you have here is not to do with Matchmaking being the problem. This is the system working on MMR.

A good MMR only comes from working at it. Meaning that even in games where you lose you still have a positive performance. The riven could very well have been on a losing streak or be effected by some other factors meaning she could very well have been sorted into your match.

However you've acknowledged the key fault here. Riven is S2 and Lee is B4. More often than not matchmaking is going to sort duos like this into the lowest ranks match catagory, as well as averaging out the MMRs for both teams. As a result Riven is brought down to your level rather than Lee being brought up to a level he could not sustain in and would suffer.

If you ask me a good idea to boost your MMR (and your LP plus/loss ratio) try and find a lower level account that you can play in some of their games. It's what I did personally, salvaged my problem and with every win I now get around 22-24LP to boot!

Unfortunately, I know its unfair and frustrating but remember every game is set out to be winnable. Even that one. Stay positive, push on and best of luck!