Never thought I'd see the day when Riot starts to enforce the meta...

kolpy99··2 votes·660 views

[1] "Confirmed. As of 5.2, Deathfire Grasp will be removed. We're working on a context post that should be out soon to explain!" and [2]" Important note: DFG's removal won't be the only change - a number of champions will receive changes/updates to compensate. [3]" I've posted this tons in replies, so let me be clear - of the champions being compensated for DFG's removal, Ahri and Veigar are at the top."]

You guys always seemed like you wanted to avoid enforcing the meta,

I feel as if we don't stop this here, it's just going to spiral out of control, like when they changed bloodthirster, and now there is only a single build for most ADC's

can you guys AT LEAST acknowledge that we dont like what you're doing

Read the boards once in a while, and explain to people who disagree with your choices why you made those choices.

All "troll" AP champions, completely destroyed, you know, the ones who didnt have that much ap scaling but still fun to play BECAUSE of DFG Alistar Aatrox Ashe Braum Gangplank Garen Gnar Hecarim Irelia Jax JarvanIV Khazix Nasus Pantheon Rammus Rengar Shaco Sion Tryndamere Udyr Vi Warwick XinZhao Fiora Gratz Riot... Every single one of these champions are now forced into the meta Not going to say another word.

EDIT: I know Riot won't actually change it, like when we all asked for buffs and debuffs to be moved to the center, but it's worth a try

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Random Task2 votes

DFG removal is enforcing the meta?

Balancing the game, sure, but not meta enforcing. Since you can't force a meta (aka the norm). Yes it gave those champions who aren't made for building ap but have ap scaling, a little more power but in all reality, the majority were using DFG on Ahri, Veigar, Katarina, etc. Causing an unbalance in power. Most builds, were focused around DFG for those champions, limiting their builds because DFG was just so good.

The only counter play was to either burst first, or get banshees/zhonyas in hopes they're not fed enough to kill you anyway. That then put limits on how someone could play against another player, who had DFG on a burst AP champion. When you can out duel someone who has better stats then you because of one item, it should not be in the game.

RevyUp1 votes

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DFG removal is enforcing the meta?

Balancing the game, sure, but not meta enforcing. Since you can't force a meta (aka the norm). Yes it gave those champions who aren't made for building ap but have ap scaling, a little more power but in all reality, the majority were using DFG on Ahri, Veigar, Katarina, etc. Causing an unbalance in power. Most builds, were focused around DFG for those champions, limiting their builds because DFG was just so good.

The only counter play was to either burst first, or get banshees/zhonyas in hopes they're not fed enough to kill you anyway. That then put limits on how someone could play against another player, who had DFG on a burst AP champion. When you can out duel someone who has better stats then you because of one item, it should not be in the game.

How about Syndra isn't dfg pretty core on her but she wont be getting any buffs and is in fact getting even more nerfs?

Random Task1 votes

IMO, just like Veigar, I never believed Syndra truly needed DFG. It was more of an exploit and was the best way to play her, to deal the most damage. They're early game nerfs, so even if DFG wasn't getting removed - by the time you get DFG - she most likely has 4 points in her q anyway. I'm not a pro, nor high tier, but these nerfs are not going to slow her down that much.

So, I believe she'll be the one to get nerfed, they'll help veigar with his passive and maybe nerf him, and they're already testing nerfs on Katarina. Clearly I'm not the only one seeing DFG as more of an Exploit than a needed (core) item on these characters.

Zair Umbras2 votes

But.. AP Nasus wasn't meant to have a DFG. o.o He didn't have any AP burst scalings, all of it was DPS. lol. AP Sion was killed with the rework, DFG or not. AP Xin doesn't use a DFG, he uses a Lichbane and Nashor's Tooth. Gawd. AP Tryn also doesn't use a DFG because his AP scaling is on a Physical damage ability. AP Jax doesn't neeeeeed a DFG. AP Ashe is just pure troll. lol. Irelia has one magic damage ability and even with a DFG, it was never worth it.

Now, we will all miss DFG on AP Rengar. RIP AP Rengar, we loved you while you lasted. Instalok will have to remove their song.

Just Jangle1 votes

Nice to see Rito removing that item, now they gotta go for the bigest cancer item item 3157

UberAffe1 votes

It should come back but I do not believe it should come back at the same strength it had. The current dfg, along with many other items, is too strong. It's base stats actually had a healthy balance but the damage spike from its active was too strong. The only counter play to the active was to get out of range of them (not easily done) or if you have qss (mikael's and cleanse do NOT work).

Drukyul1 votes

in response to the title: really? they've been doing so for a year if not multiple years

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