Does anyone else feel Braum's passive might need a rework?

Illabethe·Jun 30, 2018·1 votes·1,915 views

I've seen a lot of Braum recently. I mean a lot. And every time, the team he is on is a full board auto attack team.

Braum's passive stun is one of the only CC's in the game you can't really avoid at all. If he hits you at all, any of his allies can stun you. And if their team is auto attack based, that means it's a guarantee.

The only way to fight that ... is basically to have mages longer range than skirmish range.

But isn't it kind of unhealthy for a champ to win from Queue, if their team are auto attackers?

(I know he's at a bad win rate but it's not because of his passive; It's because he generally gets caught out).

I wish we could get a rework on the stun....

19 Comments

GuiNoodlecakeJun 30, 20183 votes

There are simple ways you can outplay his passive. Unless you get lured or ccd by someone else, position yourself so Braun can’t reach you. He has no mobility engage so unless you get hit by his q you are safe. Additionally, dodge his q. Finally, get qss. Even if you don’t use it on your champ, don’t finish mercurial, the qss itself is worth it. I’m fairly certain activating it even with a stack on you gets rid of the stacks and may even put them on cd

IllabetheJun 30, 20181 votes

You don't understand. Half the champ roster or better are kits within braum's reach. Pyke literally has no counter for his kit. Just Eing through Braum procs his hit and you will be stunned within 2 sec. If you Q him, he Q's you. There is no workaround for about 50-60% of the champ base.

And games don't go long enough with him to afford core items.

GuiNoodlecakeJun 30, 20181 votes

Well maybe he does deserve a rework, or he is just strong now since games go so quickly.

BeatzBoyFTWJun 30, 20181 votes

Pyke literally has no counter for his kit.

The fuck. Once he dives in with his E, he has little to no escape if he fks it up. W? He's not Shaco, you can still see the dude at about 2 Teemos.

IllabetheJun 30, 20181 votes

don't quite know what you're trying to say since what I just say you regurgitated.....

BeatzBoyFTWJun 30, 20181 votes

Ugh I had a 4 hours sleep & misread the comprehension. Mb.

KuwabaramulberryJun 30, 20182 votes

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The fuck. Once he dives in with his E, he has little to no escape if he fks it up. W? He's not Shaco, you can still see the dude at about 2 Teemos.

Then don't dive in on braum. Nasus doesn't get to free farm his Q against teemo. Zac doesn't get to duel Udyr. Nobody gets to play against irelia. Pyke is plenty strong, not every champion should be completely without counters. If you blind pick pyke into a braum, just accept that concessions are going to need to be made, and try to get a roam into top or mid lane to get your game rolling

PhDs NutsJun 30, 20182 votes

Changing champions so they don't counter other champions is why we're in a stupid one-shot meta. Everyone is the same now, they just have different ability animations for deleting each other. At least Braum is different than Zyra/Brand/Lux/Bard.

IllabetheJun 30, 20181 votes

My issue with Braum is simply there is no counterplay to that stun for 60% of the roster. No other champ has a stun like that.

PhDs NutsJun 30, 20181 votes

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My issue with Braum is simply there is no counterplay to that stun for 60% of the roster. No other champ has a stun like that.

?? Amumu Annie Fiddlesticks Leona Lissandra Lulu Malzahar Rakan Rammus Skarner TwistedFate Zoe

IllabetheJun 30, 20181 votes

All of those stuns/roots require actual hits of skills. Braum's is unique in that OTHER players activate it. Anyone near him. Kai Sa and Tristana can instantly activate it. MF can instantly activate it.

PhDs NutsJun 30, 20182 votes

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All of those stuns/roots require actual hits of skills. Braum's is unique in that OTHER players activate it. Anyone near him. Kai Sa and Tristana can instantly activate it. MF can instantly activate it.

Only Renekton/Lucian can instantly activate it. And I replied to the part of "there is no counterplay to that stun for 60% of the roster. No other champ has a stun like that." Braum has to either hit a skillshot or be in melee range to be given a chance to trigger his stun. There's a lot of counterplay to an immobile champion that needs to be in melee range.

IllabetheJun 30, 20181 votes

Kai Sai's Q instantly activates it. Tristana activates it in one seconds once she has item 3153 .

Mf's Love tap counts as 2 hits. So does her Q.

And Braum has that chance vs 60% of the champ roster of they even get near him.

ZephyrDrakeJun 30, 20181 votes

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Kai Sai's Q instantly activates it. Tristana activates it in one seconds once she has .

Mf's Love tap counts as 2 hits. So does her Q.

And Braum has that chance vs 60% of the champ roster of they even get near him.

And then you realize that most of those champions are tanks or champions that build tankh enough to survive being stunned. If you get stunned as a squishy champion then it's on you not "braum stun is OP". Pretty much every single champion in the game that has a stun works the same way. You cannot avoid an Amumu ult if you are melee so should we rework his ult?

IllabetheJun 30, 20181 votes

Not at the stage of the game it matters lol. Pyke can't survive even if he's built tank.

You can avoid amumu's ult. It's called using dashes/flashes or being so close you can still be ready to pounce with a skill in tow. It's not a stun. it's a root. That also disarms.

It's also not something always used on teams. If you catch him out, he'll use it 1v1, and die.

Braum's is ALWAYS with a team.

ZephyrDrakeJun 30, 20181 votes

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Not at the stage of the game it matters lol. Pyke can't survive even if he's built tank.

You can avoid amumu's ult. It's called using dashes/flashes or being so close you can still be attacking. It's not a stun. it's a root.

You can dodge braum's stun with dashes and flashes. If he doesn't hit you, he cannot stun you. It's called have proper positioning and knowing when to engage if you are a squishy champion that needs to get close and personal

IllabetheJun 30, 20181 votes

You don't understand. Braum auto attacks you mid E. And if you pull him he has a direct line to Q you. There is no choice with pyke but PURE AVOIDING HIM.

KuwabaramulberryJun 30, 20182 votes

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You don't understand. Braum auto attacks you mid E. And if you pull him he has a direct line to Q you. There is no choice with pyke but PURE AVOIDING HIM.

So what this all really boils down to is you want this passive reworked because it is a decent counter to ONE other squishy support and stops your 300 IQ hook plays and still relies heavily on his adc paying enough attention to actually stop hitting minions to proc the stun that takes 4 desperate auto attacks to proc (that stun is not easy to proc in lane for most ADC's early)

IllabetheJun 30, 20181 votes

Not quite. I don't like the idea of NO COUNTERPLAY existing anywhere within the champion pool.

Other champs can deal with it because they can build HP, or aren't put in a situation where they are 100% forced to take the stun, or, in many cases ARE forced to take it because like Pyke, their kits either involve crossing Braum or avoiding him the entire game.

There's something like 30 champs who cannot exist in the same fight.